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Best thing about Digital Foundry is it keeps devs on notice. Lazy ports will be found out thanks to there analysis.
As for this game? I dont know who to believe. DF normally are very trustworthy with there tech reviews however no one is perfect.



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Errorist76 said:
Ganoncrotch said:

Use the Alexa rating of them so, they come in around the 340,000th rank

to put that in perspective

Fox news is at 260

Vgchartz is at 18k

aye, the Major News site is less important than this website by a factor of 17 in the metric of importance of Alexa ranking, the system used to measure website traffic and visitors.

Guess we better start to actually proof read the articles on the front page here, since we're 17x more popular than a Major News site!

As Barkley has already stated they are part of Eurogamer and I'm not debating DF in a relation to Faux News...I'm debating DF in the context of other sites doing the same thing..and in that regard they are on the top of their game, with other Youtube channels like Candyland and NX Gamer being the only competition.

Most major gaming news sites or news aggregate ones are also often reposting DF's analysis, because they are that respected...so your argument is moot, I'm sorry. 

you can be as sorry as you like and DF can be the best pixel counters on youtube, but that still doesn't change the fact that a video which spends minutes zoomed to 400% on a still image of a game to show a difference between X1X and PS4P is important to a niche group (pixel counters) of a niche group ("core gamers") of a relatively less niche group (gamers) is why their sites rank and sub count is as it is, to gamers you know where their site lays in popularity? It's over 100k subs less than ReviewtechUSA let that sink in for a few minutes before going back to the "but I think they're important" as a site/group please.



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SvennoJ said:

Why trust a developer that can't even do basic math:

we managed to scale the resolution between 90% and 50% of native 4k, which means the resolution goes from the upper limit of 3456×1944 to the lower one of 1920×1080

That's scaling between 81% to 25% of native 4K.... And then it still drops to 45fps after cutting the resolution to 25% of the target? Then blame someone else for being incompetent? Funny.

Let's just keep at one dimension, use the most favourable numbers



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Azzanation said:
Best thing about Digital Foundry is it keeps devs on notice. Lazy ports will be found out thanks to there analysis.
As for this game? I dont know who to believe. DF normally are very trustworthy with there tech reviews however no one is perfect.

Seems like DF made a mistake (that they admitted) of not noticing the game wasn't fully 1080p. But the drop in FPS and res hitting 1080 is true and admitted by dev.

And looking at the game it is another situation of not properly developed game since the graphs are quite simple and wouldn't justify X1X having any issue to do 4k60fps much less dropping to 45 or less on even 1080p sections.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Ganoncrotch said:
Errorist76 said:

As Barkley has already stated they are part of Eurogamer and I'm not debating DF in a relation to Faux News...I'm debating DF in the context of other sites doing the same thing..and in that regard they are on the top of their game, with other Youtube channels like Candyland and NX Gamer being the only competition.

Most major gaming news sites or news aggregate ones are also often reposting DF's analysis, because they are that respected...so your argument is moot, I'm sorry. 

you can be as sorry as you like and DF can be the best pixel counters on youtube, but that still doesn't change the fact that a video which spends minutes zoomed to 400% on a still image of a game to show a difference between X1X and PS4P is important to a niche group (pixel counters) of a niche group ("core gamers") of a relatively less niche group (gamers) is why their sites rank and sub count is as it is, to gamers you know where their site lays in popularity? It's over 100k subs less than ReviewtechUSA let that sink in for a few minutes before going back to the "but I think they're important" as a site/group please.

Difference is ReviewtechUSA is anything BUT respected. So you're honestly discussing DF's 'importance' on a worldwide scale in comparison with normal news outlets?! Can you please remind me what your initial point was?!



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Errorist76 said:
Ganoncrotch said:

you can be as sorry as you like and DF can be the best pixel counters on youtube, but that still doesn't change the fact that a video which spends minutes zoomed to 400% on a still image of a game to show a difference between X1X and PS4P is important to a niche group (pixel counters) of a niche group ("core gamers") of a relatively less niche group (gamers) is why their sites rank and sub count is as it is, to gamers you know where their site lays in popularity? It's over 100k subs less than ReviewtechUSA let that sink in for a few minutes before going back to the "but I think they're important" as a site/group please.

Difference is ReviewtechUSA is anything BUT respected. So you're honestly discussing DF's 'importance' on a worldwide scale in comparison with normal news outlets?! Can you please remind me what your initial point was?!

My initial point was to someone else, if you felt the urge to jump in with "but this 500k subs are more respected than his 650k subs" rubbish go read back for yourself, I didn't invite you to jump in nor am I going to go and re-write my posts for you, the tl:dr is that digital foundry isn't a major news site by any metrics.

But yeah I'm done talking about this, the dev makes one game and they considered suing a small youtube channel for cash for it, so yeah I'm grand with ignoring the dev there is plenty of them out there who are happy to make their cash from their products.



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Azzanation said:
Best thing about Digital Foundry is it keeps devs on notice. Lazy ports will be found out thanks to there analysis.
As for this game? I dont know who to believe. DF normally are very trustworthy with there tech reviews however no one is perfect.

Other tech sites also analysed the same patch and they had different results, so in this case DF was 100% wrong, no discussions about it




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DonFerrari said:
SvennoJ said:

Why trust a developer that can't even do basic math:

we managed to scale the resolution between 90% and 50% of native 4k, which means the resolution goes from the upper limit of 3456×1944 to the lower one of 1920×1080

That's scaling between 81% to 25% of native 4K.... And then it still drops to 45fps after cutting the resolution to 25% of the target? Then blame someone else for being incompetent? Funny.

Let's just keep at one dimension, use the most favourable numbers

Indeed :)


Anyway all this begs the question, what's the benefit of going to 81% (or 90%) of 4K if even DF didn't notice the difference after all those years staring at pixels on screens.



Barkley said:
Vincoletto said:
So now it is possible to also sue youtube channels because of a wrong analysis? Will someday be possible to sue a channel if they for example say " game x sucks because the weapons does not have aim assist" when in fact they had?
Will they also be able to sue reddit users that sometimes runs huge data analysys in case they are wrong? There must be a limit to those things.

Legal actions against a large commercial reviewer that presents false facts that are damaging to your product/image and thus income. Seems fine to me.

Don't think it's worth bothering with though now it's been taken down.

What Barkley said. Hopefully this is a lesson to Digital Foundry who have pretty much become the standard for technical analysis of games; it is their responsibility to show great due diligence when reporting on these games, as they really can influence perceptions and sales.

I hope now that they've pulled it both sides drop the issue, as I'm pretty sure most people who care about this sort of thing have since learned of the error. If this has hurt anyone at this point, it's likely the trust viewers have in Digital Foundry.

I still love the channel though, and I imagine going forward they'll be even more prudent about avoiding editorializing in favor of accurate technical analysis.



Vincoletto said:
So now it is possible to also sue youtube channels because of a wrong analysis? Will someday be possible to sue a channel if they for example say " game x sucks because the weapons does not have aim assist" when in fact they had?
Will they also be able to sue reddit users that sometimes runs huge data analysys in case they are wrong? There must be a limit to those things.

I don't see a problem with the bolded. Not familiar with what goes on on reddit.



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