The parlament of Catalonia has 135 members, in order to make important decisions they have always needed around 90 votes but they declared themself an independent republic with only 70 votes from politic parties that represents a 48% of the population and using the results of an ilegal referendum with no guarantees and where people was able to vote several times, this is highly antidemocratic.

Like Catalonia give a damn abou Spanish constitution,they want to be free from them not follow their opression game. Damn clever.lol

You, like many Portuguese, have a lot of resentment against Spain sadly, that doesn't let you think clearly. 

You don't seem to realize how big of a problem would be if Catalonia goes while most of its population wants to stay, which is what every inform and poll says will happen, neither do you seem to understand the huge manipulation going on over them, they don't really know the consequences of independence, nobody told them, they believe they are gonna get richer soon which is laughable watching how 1500 companies have left Catalonia in few weeks and considering that like 70% of their exportations comes to Spain. Even famous British historian John H. Elliot said yesterday that Catalan people has been told a completely false story for ages, They are told a different version of history and they are highly manipulated into believing everything wrong that happens to them comes from Spain and everything good is because they are awesome, is pathetic when you actually live here and understand what's happening, they were governed for 23 years by one of the most corrupts politics of Spain (Pujol) because they wanted, after knowing this guy (and all his family) were stealing catalans for decades they are still so blind that they keep saying Spain is corrupt unlike Catalonia, right... just like many catalans were shitting about Spain for selling weapons to bad countries while 25% of those weapons come from Catalonia... they are driven by blind nationalism.

You are even talking about Castilians instead of Spaniards, why? I'm from Valencia, we used to belong to the Aragon Kingdom just like Catalonia, we even speak Catalan too and have it as an oficial language, yet almost everyone here completely supports the union of Spain, and so does people from Balearic Islands and Aragon, so what are you talking about Castilians? Do you think we are still in the 18th century or what?

Except Catalonia (and not Catalunya. In Spanish it's Cataluña) is part of Spain so Spain has obviously a say into this matter. If you want to break up a country, EVERYONE in the country should have a say. And the Spanish people including a lot of people in Catalonia are against it.

The referendum was ILLEGAL, how is it that you don't understand that? If all it took was for people to say something to make it happen, the world could not exist. Cause there is ALWAYS someone somewhere that disagrees with the way things are.

I don't like everything that is decided in my country so maybe I should demand my city to become independent? After that, I may not like what other people in my city say or do so maybe the portion of my city should become independent from the rest of the city?

Try to break up New York from the US, or Paris from France or Tokyo from Japan and you'll get EXACTLY the same result as you see in Spain. The legal government of the country will not allow it and with good reason.

It's their mistake (or not) to make. You can't make the decision for them.

I say Castilians (thank you for correcting me on the english term for it) are the ones that subdued the surrounding Kingdoms. That is why i mention them, because they have always been passive agressive with their power plays. Most of these Iberic kingdoms were aquired through palacian coups (usually through pressure of military action). Nowadays, that is not how things work anymore. 

You are happy beeing part of Spain, that is fine. I'm not saying all should seceed. Just whoever doesn't want to be part of it. These decisions can't just carry over from old monarchic marieges. Especially if an area has different culture, language and customs.

Spain has to stop beeing an empire and start beeing a union everyone wants to be in. That is the only way to have lasting peace in the iberic peninsula. That ideally should start by having a referendom in every region to find out who actually wants to unite and who doesn't by the will of the people.

And yet, despite being completely antidemocratic people on the poll supports it because independence is always seen as something romantic.... let's see what would happen if someday California decides to be independent with a minority of the population and just because they are richer than the rest.

I heard Scotland and Venezuela recognised it. Guess it was a joke. :P

No one recognised Kosovo at the start either. It is stupid though. When it becomes a blood bath i'm blaming the EU countries for having been passive to it rather than protect the will of the people.

This is so stupid because so many countries began like this. This is the countries saying they hope Spain solves the problem peacefully. Once they don't there will be interventions.

Portugal, the Netherland and Belgium would still be a part of Spain if their constituion was what mattered. The hypocrisy is strong.

Oh didn't say anything of the sort. Wether they join the EU or not is irrelevant.

The EU is the power body of europe. A union based on democracy and freedom for europe. If this becomes a bloodbath, in the heart of europe, the EU is confirmed as a sham for letting it happen.

I'm in favor of the EU. I want it to work. But if the people in it's heart cannot count with it's protection, what good is it? It's not much of a union.

Like Spain, wich despite what castellans will tell you isn't a union. It's a collection of kingdoms conquered through intimidation and mariage. It's people never had a vote in the matter. Nowadays, this is catching up to them and the castellans, used to intimidating the others will never give it up. This will become a bloodbath. I am convinced of that. It's how they always did things.

It has the same utility and is made for similar situations

Completely and utterly incorrect and why that constitution is imperialist. 

The rest of Spain has NO say in the matter. You don't get to force people to do as you want. They are free people, not your slaves.

And i would support each and every region that would wish to seceed if that is the will of their people. I defend freedom and democracy.

There is a point where that isn't beneficial, to adress your into the ridiculous example, but if it's what they wish, there are no gripes. Maybe you don't think about it, but the opposite is also possible. If A wants to join B for mutual benefit and both are ok with it, they should unite.

Problem is that that never happened in Spain. Was just full scale submission through kings and queens. Not the will of the people. It needs to start there.