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CrazyGamer2017 said:
Nem said:

I am not. In the end of the day, what matters is what the people of Catalunya want. Not what Spain wants or what motivations there are.

The Will of the People of Catalunya is ALL that matters. And given how the central government blocked a referendum, the writing is in the wall.

Except Catalonia (and not Catalunya. In Spanish it's Cataluña) is part of Spain so Spain has obviously a say into this matter. If you want to break up a country, EVERYONE in the country should have a say. And the Spanish people including a lot of people in Catalonia are against it.

The referendum was ILLEGAL, how is it that you don't understand that? If all it took was for people to say something to make it happen, the world could not exist. Cause there is ALWAYS someone somewhere that disagrees with the way things are.

I don't like everything that is decided in my country so maybe I should demand my city to become independent? After that, I may not like what other people in my city say or do so maybe the portion of my city should become independent from the rest of the city?

Try to break up New York from the US, or Paris from France or Tokyo from Japan and you'll get EXACTLY the same result as you see in Spain. The legal government of the country will not allow it and with good reason.

Completely and utterly incorrect and why that constitution is imperialist. 

The rest of Spain has NO say in the matter. You don't get to force people to do as you want. They are free people, not your slaves.

And i would support each and every region that would wish to seceed if that is the will of their people. I defend freedom and democracy.

There is a point where that isn't beneficial, to adress your into the ridiculous example, but if it's what they wish, there are no gripes. Maybe you don't think about it, but the opposite is also possible. If A wants to join B for mutual benefit and both are ok with it, they should unite.

Problem is that that never happened in Spain. Was just full scale submission through kings and queens. Not the will of the people. It needs to start there.

Last edited by Nem - on 29 October 2017