Another one bites the dust. More history made by the ps4. Beats Nintendo's second best selling home console ever. So the 3DS is it's next target. That will be easy.

So in 2018 the ps4 will beat the PSP, GBA, 360 and the ps3. It will be the 6th best selling console ever by then. 2019 it will pass the Wii and then ps1. Passing Nintendo's best home console effort and becoming Sony's second best.

2020 it should beat the gameboy and become the #3 best selling console ever. That will probably be it as it settles between GB and DS. Obviously who knows how long the gen lasts and how cheap ps4 will get so anything is possible but the smart money suggests below the DS and obviously below the king ps2 aswell.

1. The PC market back was very much separate from the console market unlike today where there is some overlapping. As you yourself pointed out - the markets were very much separate and not in competition with one another.

2. You said MS can only sell in NA and the UK - well that's 2 of the biggest gaming markets right there. They're much bigger competition than Nintendo has ever faced with the NES.

3. You're giving me an article about why the 3DS wasn't selling in 2011 - a year when less than 15% of mobile users had a smartphone. Compare this to 2015 when 77% of mobile users had a smartphone. There's also a big difference between mobile gaming in 2011 vs now.

https://www.emarketer.com/Article/Mobile-Phone-Users-Japan-Upgrade-Smartphones-Finally/1012880

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On top of that, you're ignoring the downwards trend of consoles in Japan. The NES is the 2nd highest selling console in Japan with only the PS2 surpassing it. Even th Wii only sold 12.5M there compared to the NES's 19.35M.

Now, let's look at a point that you forgot: Rise of alternative forms of entertainment. During the NES era, you're at home, you're a kid - what's the best way to spend time - video games. Any other distraction back then is still available today. But now:

1. Social media. The average perso spends 116 minutes, almost 2 hours per day, on social media. That's 2 hours that could have been spent on gaming.

2. Streaming services. It's easy to now access thousands of movies/shows to entertain oneself. Average time spent on just Netflix by a subscriber is 1h33min per day. That's more time that could have been spent gaming.

3. And yes, smartphones. Smartphones cut into people's use of a gaming device and it provides multiple ways to spend time.

All of the above compete against the PS4 in one way or  another as they offer alternative ways to spend time.

For all I know the NES could have been dumped in a landfill. They would still count as sold. And I see that you ignored my bit about the 3DS sales reported by Nintendo.

lolno

I agree that you can't do a direct comparison like that but the NES selling 60 million units is decidedly not like the PS4 selling fuckin 300 million units.

I think the ps4 will be the second best selling console of all time after the ps4

Will "we", though? I expect even people who said that it stands no chance and that it was front loaded to downplay it and say it only did so because Nintendo and MS fucked up. Guess we'll see.

Ka-pi96 said: The amount of downplay in this thread

The amount of victim mentally in this thread is also priceless. "Sony achievements are always put behind bc we are surrounded by Nintendo fans!"

So what you're saying is that the wiis 100+m sales aren't as impressive as the nes's 60m too, right? Clearly the Wii would have had to have sold 200m to be impressive.

Your failed logic is startling.

No, the climate was different, but that doesn't mean selling consoles today is easy. Look at the WiiU and the Vita for examples to the contrary. From the current gen only 3DS and now PS4 outsold it, while XB1, Vita and WiiU fell short. So more consoles missed the milestone (I just assume XB1 will not make it anymore) than cleared it. While the PS4 is the 11th console to outsell it, after NES came 14 consoles that all sold less (SNES, N64, Genesis, Xbox, GC, Vita, WiiU, GameGear, Saturn, Dreamcast, Wonderswan, NeoGeo, 3DO, TurboGrafx). So you can see NES as a watermark for successful consoles, if you passed it, you among the better half.

So don't try to downsell that milestone. That's shabby. Congratulations for PS4 that it cleared that mark.

I remember reading that the NES was at one point in like 1/3 or 1/4 of every US household by the early 1990s ... that's pretty insane.

Nintendo didn't give any fucks about the Euro market back then, reviving the game industry in the US and creating a sensation in Japan was good enough for them at that time, but that was effectively a much smaller market they were dealing with because of that.