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VGPolyglot said:
pray4mojo said:

You obviously took what he said on face value. He didn't mean being unique makes you the market leader. He meant that by being "one of a kind" you're atuomatically number one at what you're doing because there's simply no one else competeing. The PS4 is the market leader of the 8th generation, but it's been done before. It's not the "first" in that regard. Sony has released the same basic product since the PS1. They didn't even change the controller until this generation lol. They're followers, not creative leaders. Nintendo are the creative leaders as far as hardware goes. Does that mean they're always the market leader? Nope, not at all. But creatively, hell yeah. They're always taking risks and trying something new. 

What makes no one else doing it? Many of the third party games are already on other consoles, and even Nintendo games themselves have at least something similar on other consoles.

You can't take your Xbox One and PS4 on the go and play it at work/school. You can't do that. It's just not possible. The Switch is going to do things that the other two guys can't. Even the media format is different. 



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FunFan said:
pray4mojo said:

You obviously took what he said on face value. He didn't mean being unique makes you the market leader. He meant that by being "one of a kind" you're atuomatically number one at what you're doing because there's simply no one else competeing. The PS4 is the market leader of the 8th generation, but it's been done before. It's not the "first" in that regard. Sony has released the same basic product since the PS1. They didn't even change the controller until this generation lol. They're followers, not creative leaders. Nintendo are the creative leaders as far as hardware goes. Does that mean they're always the market leader? Nope, not at all. But creatively, hell yeah. They're always taking risks and trying something new. 

They didn't really changed the controller this gen either. They just tweaked it.

Totally agree. But I didn't want to get into a semantics argument lol



I'm just gon sum it up for other readers: you buy switch if you enjoy nintendo handheld concept. This thread is just another classic case of ppl overvaluing nintendo "unique experience" and undervaluing every other alternatives (even though sony or microsoft has a fck ton of exclusives and services that allow you to play games from many gens behind).

And retro stuffs... maybe. it's not like snes emulator or something exist on pc. lel



Aren't you ignoring the 3DS?

Switch looks like it's swimming in the same red ocean as 3DS to me (unlike DS-GBA, Wii-GC) and is only going to be blue ocean because 3DS is about to drown.



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m_csquare said:
I'm just gon sum it up for other readers: you buy switch if you enjoy nintendo handheld concept. This thread is just another classic case of ppl overvaluing nintendo "unique experience" and undervaluing every other alternatives (even though sony or microsoft has a fck ton of exclusives and services that allow you to play games from many gens behind).

And retro stuffs... maybe. it's not like snes emulator or something exist on pc. lel

Emulation may exist, but the NES classic clearly proves that people are still wanting to spend money on old games, for various reasons. These might be the same people that want to spend money on games like Bomberman R, Sonic Mania, Octopath Traveller, Wonder Boy, Monster Boy, Puyo Puyo X Tetris, or Ultra Street Fighter II.



Nintendo fan base is small compared to the PlayStation and Xbox fan bases, always has been since the ps1 days, wii did not sell 100m+ to Nintendo fans it sold them to people on the hypetrain for motion controls.
Handheld market is shrinking rapidly due to the market penetration of smartphones and the switch is a desperate attempt to combine home, portable and Mobile market potential customer base into one tree, before the fruits rot and fall to the ground.

If Nintendo still do their own hardware in 10 years I will genuinely be surprised.

That's my take on this, and I say it as someone that has owned every Nintendo console and handheld since the nes.



pray4mojo said:
VGPolyglot said:

What makes no one else doing it? Many of the third party games are already on other consoles, and even Nintendo games themselves have at least something similar on other consoles.

You can't take your Xbox One and PS4 on the go and play it at work/school. You can't do that. It's just not possible. The Switch is going to do things that the other two guys can't. Even the media format is different. 

It is nevertheless what I do thanks to my Vita connected to my phone...

But Nintendo has others pros although they are not the only one to be creative and taking risks.



pray4mojo said:
FunFan said:

They didn't really changed the controller this gen either. They just tweaked it.

Totally agree. But I didn't want to get into a semantics argument lol

And yet they still manage to churn out far more appealing games than Nintendo did in the last 7 years. The controller is tried and arguably the best in class. Sony is actually beating Nintendo at its own game, and that is gaming content Thats why they have pretty much dominated 3 out of the last 4 generations. But this is fairly off topic, so I guess thats all Im still adding.

On topic: hollow and hipocritical in most part. Let us see a serious game library Shigeru, and maybe we will actually start listening again.



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pray4mojo said:

You obviously took what he said on face value. He didn't mean being unique makes you the market leader. He meant that by being "one of a kind" you're atuomatically number one at what you're doing because there's simply no one else competeing. The PS4 is the market leader of the 8th generation, but it's been done before. It's not the "first" in that regard. Sony has released the same basic product since the PS1. They didn't even change the controller until this generation lol. They're followers, not creative leaders. Nintendo are the creative leaders as far as hardware goes. Does that mean they're always the market leader? Nope, not at all. But creatively, hell yeah. They're always taking risks and trying something new. 

Posts like this make me wonder if half the brilliance of Nintendo isn't simply being able to convince diehard Nintendo fans that Nintendo is itself a sacred cow.

Let's start with "They didn't even change the controller until this generation lol."  What does that even mean?  "That new car still has 4 wheels lol."  "Les Paul guitars still look the same as they did in the 1960s lol."  Basically, though it's intended to be a criticism, it's not, because there is no substance in the argument.  It has no meaning.  The belief he's trying to present as truth is that change is better than refinement, which, personally, I find to be rubbish.  Refinement is more often better than change that exists for the sake of change.  That's why some of the most mature industries change very slowly.  Throwing in a car with 5 wheels might be change but it doesn't necessarily make for a better car.

Next, "Nintendo are the creative leaders as far as hardware goes."  Sure, like the others have been following Nintendo for the last twenty years.  That simply isn't true.  All the big manufacturers borrow good ideas from one another, as they should, but the idea that everyone emulates what Nintendo is doing is obviously false.  Nintendo does it's own thing, which is fine, but they haven't been leading the direction of hardware in a very long time.  In fact, in recent years, they've been adopting more of what is standard in the industry than the other way around.  

None of what I've said is criticism of Nintendo.  What they do is fine.  It's criticism of fans who use convoluted logic to convince themselves that they have the largest inauguration attendence in history.