well, more than any new super mario bros game.
id bet 30 million.
well, more than any new super mario bros game.
id bet 30 million.
ninjapirate42 said: I'll go for 30 million paid downloads, just because I'm pretty confident I'll purchase myself and I've never paid a dime towards mobile yet :( I'm thinking it can definitely do Pokemon Go numbers or more in terms of downloads, so I'll say 750 million downloaded. |
For that figure to be true that would be a 75% attach rate of the game... not only this, but it would mean that people who owned multiple apple devices would download the title on multiple devices. Factoring in multi devices owned by a single person you are suggesting an actual attach rate of over 100% of the user base of people downloading the game.
Why not check me out on youtube and help me on the way to 2k subs over at www.youtube.com/stormcloudlive
Ganoncrotch said:
For that figure to be true that would be a 75% attach rate of the game... not only this, but it would mean that people who owned multiple apple devices would download the title on multiple devices. Factoring in multi devices owned by a single person you are suggesting an actual attach rate of over 100% of the user base of people downloading the game. |
Well I'm talking about Android downloads as well once that becomes available on that.
ninjapirate42 said:
Well I'm talking about Android downloads as well once that becomes available on that. |
Oh right, I am just going by the Apple devices and numbers since those are really the only solid numbers around right now I think.
But keep in mind in all of this that Pokemon Go, the Giant which it was during the first week managed to get 40million downloads on Android/IOS and of that just 7million of them were on Apples platform, that is a free game which was a Global Phenomenon in terms of being on the news, tv and pretty much every social media outlet, managed 7million downloads in July of this year in the first week. Unless a massive % of the 1billion apple device owners have handed their device into the hands of someone who is A. A gamer and B. Willing to buy a $10 app between then and now, then this app is never going to breach 10m paid downloads on IOS and unless buying it becomes law across the globe it is certainly not going to reach the 300m paid downloads that the OP suggests.
Why not check me out on youtube and help me on the way to 2k subs over at www.youtube.com/stormcloudlive
Eugh... Gen 2 of Pokemon are in game now it seems... in Eggs, wtf Niantic just can't do anything right.
Know this is off topic, just found it while looking for Pokemon Go numbers for comparison to this.
http://www.polygon.com/2016/12/12/13922746/pokemon-go-gen-two-pokemon
Better get buying some incubators to see new Mon.
Why not check me out on youtube and help me on the way to 2k subs over at www.youtube.com/stormcloudlive
Ganoncrotch said:
Oh right, I am just going by the Apple devices and numbers since those are really the only solid numbers around right now I think. But keep in mind in all of this that Pokemon Go, the Giant which it was during the first week managed to get 40million downloads on Android/IOS and of that just 7million of them were on Apples platform, that is a free game which was a Global Phenomenon in terms of being on the news, tv and pretty much every social media outlet, managed 7million downloads in July of this year in the first week. Unless a massive % of the 1billion apple device owners have handed their device into the hands of someone who is A. A gamer and B. Willing to buy a $10 app between then and now, then this app is never going to breach 10m paid downloads on IOS and unless buying it becomes law across the globe it is certainly not going to reach the 300m paid downloads that the OP suggests. |
I know, I believe it can be a stretch but I'm relying on the Mario power and word of mouth for this one as well. I don't know quite how big it can possibly be so I'll go a bit bold :)
fleischr said:
I made a clear distinction on lifetime numbers. Lifetime: 1 billion + total downloads, 300 million of which will be paid. The rest all free. I think the attach rate of paid downloads at launch will be higher - maybe in the realm of 50-60% starting out. If it doesn't pass 300m free downloads lifetime, I may eat my hat. |
Name a single f2p game with a paying customer rate that's even close to 10%. Your prediction has zero basis in reality.
How you think it will be even more popular than Pokemon Go is beyond me. That only shows that you have absolutely no idea why Pokemon Go was so popular in the first place.
If you demand respect or gratitude for your volunteer work, you're doing volunteering wrong.
vivster said:
Name a single f2p game with a paying customer rate that's even close to 10%. Your prediction has zero basis in reality |
You forget that at one point earlier this year, Pokemon Go made up more than half of all in-app transactions. https://techcrunch.com/2016/07/29/pokemon-gos-paying-user-base-has-reached-a-plateau/
Of course, that kind of strength doesn't last with any title forever - but it lends itself well to the idea that Nintendo can achieve greater paying attach rates with their top-tier IP for at least a short duration of time.
Keep in mind this is a free app currently with only one major in-app purchase, and that it's pretty meaningful one in comparison to what you normally get with many other f2p games.
This is also lifetime numbers I'm predicting here... So I'm not saying it hits 300 million paid downloads it's first year, but over several years on the app store it will.
I predict NX launches in 2017 - not 2016
vivster said: Name a single f2p game with a paying customer rate that's even close to 10%. Your prediction has zero basis in reality |
I agree, 10% or less paying customers of the total downloaders would also be my guess. Let's have a look at the similar mobile Rayman games.
The rating average on Google Play of these 3 games shows similar satisfaction of the users: quite good 4.3 - 4.5 stars out of 5. MetaScore shows much lower ratings for Rayman Adventures, but that can be explained by pissed reviewers punishing the in-app-purchase model.
Much more people downloaded and rated Rayman Adventures... why not try it when it is free? Only a fraction of these will have invested money into the game, even if they liked the part they played.
Of course Super Mario Run will have much higher downloads and sales than Rayman... because it is Nintendo and Mario and all the hype and the PR (Apple keynote, preorder spotlight for weeks in the AppStore, Jimmy Fallon, TV-Spots...).
But I doubt that more than 10% of the people who try it will also buy it, especially for $10. My guess would be 300m downloads, 20m - 30m sales.
I personally really like all the Rayman games above and will probably also buy SMR (since I have no problem with paying for premium apps), but perhaps I wait for the first 50%-sale.
fleischr said:
You forget that at one point earlier this year, Pokemon Go made up more than half of all in-app transactions. https://techcrunch.com/2016/07/29/pokemon-gos-paying-user-base-has-reached-a-plateau/ Of course, that kind of strength doesn't last with any title forever - but it lends itself well to the idea that Nintendo can achieve greater paying attach rates with their top-tier IP for at least a short duration of time. Keep in mind this is a free app currently with only one major in-app purchase, and that it's pretty meaningful one in comparison to what you normally get with many other f2p games. This is also lifetime numbers I'm predicting here... So I'm not saying it hits 300 million paid downloads it's first year, but over several years on the app store it will. |
That's still not how math works. Look at LTD numbers of any game and compare it with first year sales. You will find they're very similar. By a simlar rate SMR would have to sell at least 200m copies in its first year. This game does not exist in a bubble. It has to compete against every other game on the store and a lot of them are free or have a way smaller entry fee.
The game cannot simply succeed because of brand alone. Pokemon couldn't do it either. Pokemon was heavily supported by the social aspect which brought players in who would've otherwise have not given a single shit about a pokemon game.
And now you come along saying that a game with higher entry fee, no social draw and no longevity whatsoever will easily beat a once in a lifetime blockbuster? Be realistic here.
If you demand respect or gratitude for your volunteer work, you're doing volunteering wrong.