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Would you mind if Prime 4 has more casual friendly elements?

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Proxy-Pie said:

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August 8th, 2020:

The latest we've heard of Metroid Prime 4 is during Kensuke Tanabe's Paper Mario interview. In it, he mentioned that Nintendo's design philosophy has casual players in mind. He gave the example of the Metroid Prime series as something that looks like it's only for core gamers at a glance, but has beginner friendly elements.

Do you agree? Do you think Metroid Prime 4 should be more casual friendly? How so? Discuss.

Gamers tend to confuse the term 'beginner friendly' with 'casual' and believe the game will be watered down. Instead, it's probably going to be less clunky but more intuitive. This is a good thing, if you ask me.



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https://www.siliconera.com/retro-studios-is-hiring-a-lead-producer-for-metroid-prime-4/

Retro Studios is hiring a Lead Producer, according to a job listing on their Twitter page. Anyone here have good knowledge of game development that can tell us what they make of this?



RolStoppable said:
super_etecoon said:
https://www.siliconera.com/retro-studios-is-hiring-a-lead-producer-for-metroid-prime-4/

Retro Studios is hiring a Lead Producer, according to a job listing on their Twitter page. Anyone here have good knowledge of game development that can tell us what they make of this?

Nowadays major games have multiple leads in various categories because game development has become so bloated. Just like the addition of a lead artist in 2019, looking for a lead producer doesn't mean that there is a bottleneck in development where nobody can do much work on the game until the position is filled.

Retro Studios got assigned with the development of Metroid Prime 4 only ~20 months ago, so the game isn't close to release regardless of who they hire or not. I say this because I commonly see people talking about development hell or vaporware in regards to MP4 when Nintendo was actually upfront about the game getting started from scratch again after the initially assigned developers couldn't produce satisfactory results. Retro didn't pick up a halfdone game, they started over instead.

The first Metroid Prime took ~2.5 years to develop, the second one took 2 years (they had the engine and made a sequel on the same console), the third one took ~2.5 years again (engine could be reused for the Wii, but controls had to be reworked, so extensive additional testing was necessary). Given that game development has only got more time-consuming, 3 years is the absolute minimum that must be expected, so a late 2021 release of Metroid Prime 4 is the most optimistic expectation one can have while still maintaining a tiny sense of realism. More reasonable is a release in 2022, though.

Given what MP4's history has been so far with its early announcement at E3 2017 due to Samus Returns on the 3DS (in 2017 Nintendo still had to assure fans that Switch is their clear priority) and its restart of development that was announced in January 2019, Nintendo is unlikely to show the game until its close to completion. So if anyone expects to see something of it within the next 12 months, they are setting themself up for disappointment.

All good points and definitely where my mind up lies with the development.  And I definitely agree that promising Metroid Prime 4, even if ill advised, was an important part of Nintendo's marketing and strategy and that it wasn't a mistake.  A mistake would have been to try to deliver a bad product in a good time frame and put what could have been the final nail in the Metroid coffin.  One good thing about this turn of events, though, is that it is giving a lot of us uninitiated gamers a small glimpse into the team building that goes into the development of a AAA game.  Every bit of info gets pored over exhaustively, albeit mostly by amateurs, and the resulting discussion is very interesting, even if a bit vague and obtuse.



Proxy-Pie said:

New discussion topic!

August 8th, 2020:

The latest we've heard of Metroid Prime 4 is during Kensuke Tanabe's Paper Mario interview. In it, he mentioned that Nintendo's design philosophy has casual players in mind. He gave the example of the Metroid Prime series as something that looks like it's only for core gamers at a glance, but has beginner friendly elements.

Do you agree? Do you think Metroid Prime 4 should be more casual friendly? How so? Discuss.

At 1st glance i thought that was a dumb and scary quote, but there is 1 major mechanic that is admittedly casual friendly: the lock on button. Its in every prime game.and in all honesty i prefer it to twin stick for this particular series. So if thats what hes talking about, my fears are quelled.



CarcharodonKraz said:
Proxy-Pie said:

New discussion topic!

August 8th, 2020:

The latest we've heard of Metroid Prime 4 is during Kensuke Tanabe's Paper Mario interview. In it, he mentioned that Nintendo's design philosophy has casual players in mind. He gave the example of the Metroid Prime series as something that looks like it's only for core gamers at a glance, but has beginner friendly elements.

Do you agree? Do you think Metroid Prime 4 should be more casual friendly? How so? Discuss.

At 1st glance i thought that was a dumb and scary quote, but there is 1 major mechanic that is admittedly casual friendly: the lock on button. Its in every prime game.and in all honesty i prefer it to twin stick for this particular series. So if thats what hes talking about, my fears are quelled.

As written here, Tanabe's quote reads to me as saying that the Prime games that have alrady been released "look core, but are also beginner friendly."

Which would put them together with, what, half of Nintendo's games?



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I don't mind any elements that make Metroid more accessible, as long as I can shut them off. Perfect example is the hint system. That's the first thing that gets switched off for me when I play the Prime games. But I wouldn't punish new players and players that have a difficult time figuring out where to go next. Similarly, MK8DX introduced an auto-accelerate and a guided driving experience. With a few clicks they're removed.

I'm also completely ok with more casual spinoffs from the series, once they stick the landing on a new Prime game and a new 2D game. Hit those out of the park and then feel free to make Metroid Sims for all I care.



super_etecoon said:
I don't mind any elements that make Metroid more accessible, as long as I can shut them off. Perfect example is the hint system. That's the first thing that gets switched off for me when I play the Prime games. But I wouldn't punish new players and players that have a difficult time figuring out where to go next. Similarly, MK8DX introduced an auto-accelerate and a guided driving experience. With a few clicks they're removed.

Yeah I agree. As long as they're optional, I don't mind any accessibility features.



Interesting:

"Retro Studios has hired Dylan Jobe (DOOM/Call of Duty: MW) as director of development"

source: https://mynintendonews.com/2020/09/09/retro-studios-has-hired-dylan-jobe-doom-call-of-duty-mw-as-director-of-development/