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Materia-Blade said:
HoloDust said:

One of definitions of relevant - meaningful or purposeful in current society or culture.

For example, plasma TVs are, arguably, superior than any LCD technology...but they are mostly irrelevant in today's society.

Sony, arguably, makes better TVs than Samsung - but nowdays they have, more or less, become irrelevant in TV business.

WiiU, arguably, currently has better first party exclusives than PS/XBO - but, considering sales, that's almost completely irrelevant to most console gamers.

And so on...

over 20% marketshare isn't irrelevant, and they do get the best exclusives and most successfull handhelds.

As it stands now, it will most likely be closer to 10% at the end of gen, far cry (pun intended) from 7th gen...as for WiiU exclusives, maybe, maybe not, but still irrelevant to most console gamers, which will be some 90% at the end of gen.

I haven't mentioned handhelds in the first place, but that's rapidly shrinking market, overall will probably end up around 1/3 of 7th gen...if anyone is relevant there that's Nintendo, but that whole market, apart from maybe Japan, is becoming less relevant...pretty much like Plasma vs LCD analogy, we all know which one is better and which one is winning.



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Ninty will always be relevant if they choose to stay in business.

As far as the next gen, I believe Nintendo will regain universal respect from the entire gaming world. Whether it sells like crazy is a different case, but with the unified structure that implies cross-buy for NX games, it will receive a ton of critical acclaim.



160rmf said:

No flaws. The point is: Nintendo is relevant period. Doesn't matter if Ps4, X1 and...... psv released after. If Nintendo is irrelevant then they couldn't achieve this percentage of market share at this moment

No flaws? If you used the same argument in Nov 2013, Wii U would be the most successful 8th gen home console. Sega Saturn once had 100% of the US market too. Dreamcast had 100% of the 6th gen market worldwide in a give timeframe. You can't just take random snapshots of the market and ignore the entire context. X1 is only slightly ahead of the Wii U. Does that means that both are almost equaly successful? No. X1 did that in a year, Wii U did that in 2.

Want to prove their relevance? Use an argument that works instead of a flawed one.



JRPGfan said:

".....and, if they're working on unifying handheld/home console departments, the droughts they have in WiiU could dissapear. "

Yes lets all enjoy playing mobile games, on the next gen Nintendo home consol.
That will fix the issue of nintendo consols missing 3rd party support...... right?


<_<

Honestly would much rather nintendo atleast tried to get the 3rd party support back.
But I guess they rather make money on their own software, than have it from higher hardware sales.

 

That said I think most would be happy enough just to have access to 3DS games, as well.

Oh, no. I have never said "mobile games". Only handheld/home console, unified architecture, making them easier to develop for. Mobile games will only work as little games (Pokemon Shuffle style) to advertise their main console hardware (NX, in this case). At least, I think they are aiming at this. I have a 3DS/WiiU and I don't remember a single month when I didn't buy anything. 



Ka-pi96 said:
Cobretti2 said:

No I dont have a source I read it around E3 time. It was like 7 years ago it was at the time where Rockstar spent millions on GTAIV and Take Two were deciding if they should extend the contract with them. One of the main take two guys at the time said they used the carnival games profits to finish of GTAIV which basically bailed Rockstar out (i.e. they were on the brink of folding not Take Two) and signed a new extended contract to work with Take Two. Now I am sure that if Take Two stopped funding GTAIV someone like EA would have picked it up as a publisher.

Then GTAIV released and the money started to flood in for take two.

Deciding if they should extend the contract with them? There wouldn't be a contract. Rockstar were fully owned by Take Two and had been since 1998. Rockstar are Take Two. There wouldn't have been any need for an extended contract or any chance for EA to pick them up.

 

Don't ask me how these guys work as I don't know. It was all to do with money and profits.

Here is the best thing I could find about it: http://variety.com/2008/digital/news/gta-creators-stay-with-take-two-1117997582/



 

 

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Ka-pi96 said:
RolStoppable said:
Yes, they will be relevant.

They'll do it by ignoring the major third party publishers and focusing on their own strengths.

Because that worked so well with the Wii U?


marketing and design where the problems with the Wii U

reality is people don't want a tablet for a controller, and also that if you don't market your console you're doomed

Nintendo will always be relevant as long as they are around, too many strong IPs. they just need to either go back to the basics or do something revolutinary. issue with the Wii U (beyond the terrible marketing and awful confusing name) is that it neither was something simple with decent specs that the old school serious gamers could enjoy, nor was it something particularly new or different (another screen on the controller, who cares, it doesn't enhance anything really!)

 Nintendo will likely make money from the Wii U. maybe not a lot but some. as long as the company is pushing out consoles and games they will be relevant. the Wii U is one of their worst consoles (in terms of sales) in their history of existence yet even it would have to be considered relevant (at least in the NA and Japanese markets)



Ka-pi96 said:
Cobretti2 said:
Ka-pi96 said:
Cobretti2 said:

No I dont have a source I read it around E3 time. It was like 7 years ago it was at the time where Rockstar spent millions on GTAIV and Take Two were deciding if they should extend the contract with them. One of the main take two guys at the time said they used the carnival games profits to finish of GTAIV which basically bailed Rockstar out (i.e. they were on the brink of folding not Take Two) and signed a new extended contract to work with Take Two. Now I am sure that if Take Two stopped funding GTAIV someone like EA would have picked it up as a publisher.

Then GTAIV released and the money started to flood in for take two.

Deciding if they should extend the contract with them? There wouldn't be a contract. Rockstar were fully owned by Take Two and had been since 1998. Rockstar are Take Two. There wouldn't have been any need for an extended contract or any chance for EA to pick them up.

Don't ask me how these guys work as I don't know. It was all to do with money and profits.

Here is the best thing I could find about it: http://variety.com/2008/digital/news/gta-creators-stay-with-take-two-1117997582/

Sounds like the contract is to keep the founders of Rockstar working there rather than leaving for a different company. Actually sounds like a pretty good deal for them, maybe the kind of deal that Kojima should have got at Konami.

Yer good deal indeed. I agree with Kojima. Sadly liek all japanese managed companies except for Sony and mabye a fe wothers they are out of touch with were gaming is heading in the modern world.



 

 

HoloDust said:
Materia-Blade said:
HoloDust said:

One of definitions of relevant - meaningful or purposeful in current society or culture.

For example, plasma TVs are, arguably, superior than any LCD technology...but they are mostly irrelevant in today's society.

Sony, arguably, makes better TVs than Samsung - but nowdays they have, more or less, become irrelevant in TV business.

WiiU, arguably, currently has better first party exclusives than PS/XBO - but, considering sales, that's almost completely irrelevant to most console gamers.

And so on...

over 20% marketshare isn't irrelevant, and they do get the best exclusives and most successfull handhelds.

As it stands now, it will most likely be closer to 10% at the end of gen, far cry (pun intended) from 7th gen...as for WiiU exclusives, maybe, maybe not, but still irrelevant to most console gamers, which will be some 90% at the end of gen.

I haven't mentioned handhelds in the first place, but that's rapidly shrinking market, overall will probably end up around 1/3 of 7th gen...if anyone is relevant there that's Nintendo, but that whole market, apart from maybe Japan, is becoming less relevant...pretty much like Plasma vs LCD analogy, we all know which one is better and which one is winning.

"As it stands now, it will most likely be closer to 10% at the end of gen"

Not gonna happen. the current ltd would take long to become 10% if left as it is but it will obviously keep selling.

"I haven't mentioned handhelds in the first place, but that's rapidly shrinking market"

It's not a rapidly shrinking market. you need to present a reason as to why you think that. And in case you didn't notice, the 3ds is on track to be the best selling platform of the gen, maaaybe it will be second (handheld and home consoles). how can you consider that as having less relevancy?



Materia-Blade said:
HoloDust said:

As it stands now, it will most likely be closer to 10% at the end of gen, far cry (pun intended) from 7th gen...as for WiiU exclusives, maybe, maybe not, but still irrelevant to most console gamers, which will be some 90% at the end of gen.

I haven't mentioned handhelds in the first place, but that's rapidly shrinking market, overall will probably end up around 1/3 of 7th gen...if anyone is relevant there that's Nintendo, but that whole market, apart from maybe Japan, is becoming less relevant...pretty much like Plasma vs LCD analogy, we all know which one is better and which one is winning.

"As it stands now, it will most likely be closer to 10% at the end of gen"

Not gonna happen. the current ltd would take long to become 10% if left as it is but it will obviously keep selling.

"I haven't mentioned handhelds in the first place, but that's rapidly shrinking market"

It's not a rapidly shrinking market. you need to present a reason as to why you think that. And in case you didn't notice, the 3ds is on track to be the best selling platform of the gen, maaaybe it will be second (handheld and home consoles). how can you consider that as having less relevancy?


Somehow I don't think Nintendo will keep WiiU alive for too long - and at pace it sells now, it will be lucky to reach GC numbers...eventually, it might be 15% and not 10%...but still as terrible after Wii's success.

As for handheld market - looking at this 2 charts is all the reason anyone needs (if reasonable, that is) to see how much it's shrinking:

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/253393/3ds-vs-dsvgchartz-gap-chartsfebruary-2015-update/

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/253394/playstation-vita-vs-pspvgchartz-gap-chartsfebruary-2015-update/

As I said already, Nintendo is very relevant in dedicated HH market, it's just that market is becoming more and more irrelevant cause of mobile...but given that they're getting into that as well, I don't see them having problems there.

On the other hand I see home consoles market as completely different beast, with wildly different taste...and that's where Nintendo is loosing ground.



All depends on what the 9th gen console landscape looks like. Whether Sony and M$ actually make another console or not is up in the air. M$ has already been pretty clear about how they feel about cloud gaming and streaming services. Sony is already stepping into that market with their PlaystationTV or whatever its called... I personally will never buy or support cloud gaming/streaming as a method of gaming. I don't like the concept of paying for something you don't own and having the possibility of having it taken away from you because reasons. I mean... look at what happened with OnLive. I've always hated this concept, but OnLive just reinforces it and says you should be wary too.

Then you have the whole mobile market to consider, what with Amazon Fire and Roku or whatever its called. I believe Amazon just worked out some massive deal with Crytek for rights to CryEngine and theres been tons of rumors about them wanting to get heavy into the gaming market. GooglePlay and other mobile markets bring in tons of cash and are growing in popularity daily. Throw in the fact that mobile tech is advancing at a break neck pace due to demand... 9th gen consoles could be a docking station for your phone that hooks to your TV and uses a bluetooth controller.

Who knows who will be relevant come 9th gen, who knows if we'll even get a real 9th gen with physical products or if everything will be purchased digitally with shitty always online DRM. Hell, if we don't see something better than Blu Ray we could see some sort of proprietary USB data delivery method or micro SDs... Honestly the 9th gen, if it happens, is going to be an interesting one that will make or break the games industry moving forward.



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