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Forums - Gaming - Blowing The Whistle On XB1M13, MS And Machinima's Covert Xbox One Campaign

dreamcast210 said:
These are ads, plain and simple. Just like a commercial where a company pays another to create a video that is marketing the product in a positive light, that's what happened here. I don't really understand why this is a big deal. This is just a part of the change of landscape in advertising due to the Internet.

Move along. Nothing to see here....


And another one commenting before understanding the issue..no it si not just ads, in fact they are trying to HID the fact that it is an ad. It's illegal.



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RawrJa said:
Carl2291 said:
Thread is about Microsofts Xbox console, so a fair comparison is to use Sony or Nintendo who also make consoles to keep things somewhat videogame industry related.

Kow's comparison using Sony is relevant.


It is not a fair comparsion, the thread is about Microsoft and Machinima. Mentioning Sony/Nintend is off topic.


I think its relevant because a) it seemed that Somini implied it was only Microsoft doing such things and b) for the reasons I already said - similar example using a company in the industry that also got caught, giving us an idea of what may happen if this is indeed found to be illegal.



                            

I don't see why having other companies "do this all the time" means it's still not a problem. No company should do shady or underhanded acts. Just because it's Microsoft doesn't mean I'm going to be more for or against them.

By the way, bringing up Sony was relevant. It was an example used on a gaming forum as a counter point.



FlamingWeazel said:
Carl2291 said:
Did Microsoft just pay people to say good things about Microsoft?

My god, those bastards. Im so offended.


Good job commenting before reading the jest of the article...........................There is more to it then that.


I was mocking the people who are acting offended and concerned, as if this somehow affects them. Read my other posts, I know what the "problem" is.



                            

NintendoPie said:
I don't see why having other companies "do this all the time" means it's still not a problem. No company should do shady or underhanded acts. Just because it's Microsoft doesn't mean I'm going to be more for or against them.

By the way, bringing up Sony was relevant. It was an example used on a gaming forum as a counter point.


I know.

I wonder how pathetic Kowenicki would sound if he were pulled over for speeding only to say to the police officer "but other people were doing it too!"



 

 

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Shyakugaun said:
Who gives a shit, so sick how political gaming has become lately, i swear it's like we spend more time discussing trivial shit than actually games

I hope you see a video on YouTube of a XBone game, and it seems really great and the reviewers talk about how it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. And when you buy it and play it, it's a bug filled shitfest. Because apparently to you, truth is trivial



What on earth happened here?

This thread isn't about Kowenicki. Enough with these accusing posts. Any more after this will get moderated.



Fusioncode said:
Machiavellian said:
So let me get this straight. MS paid to have a personality praise their product. Would this be any different if MS paid Tom Cruz to promote the X1. Am I missing something?

The difference being that people KNOW when a celebrity is endorsing a product. They wont have any idea that a youtuber is getting paid to say positive things about the XBO. 

I still see no difference. As the article stated, this is not something new where a company pay a YT celebrity for advertising.  Actually, the more I think about it, I really do not see any difference.  If a YT celebrity have a million people watching their content, that would make them a Celebrity.  If that person is willing to endorse a product for money, that YT person is no different than some basketball player, Movie star or anyone else who has a following that endorse a product for money.  I see people do this all the time with Twitter so I really cannot see a difference here.

 

If people are so gullible to purchase a product because some YT, Basketball Player or Movie star endorse the product then why has this become some big issue.



Machiavellian said:
Fusioncode said:
Machiavellian said:
So let me get this straight. MS paid to have a personality praise their product. Would this be any different if MS paid Tom Cruz to promote the X1. Am I missing something?

The difference being that people KNOW when a celebrity is endorsing a product. They wont have any idea that a youtuber is getting paid to say positive things about the XBO. 

I still see no difference. As the article stated, this is not something new where a company pay a YT celebrity for advertising.  Actually, the more I think about it, I really do not see any difference.  If a YT celebrity have a million people watching their content, that would make them a Celebrity.  If that person is willing to endorse a product for money, that YT person is no different than some basketball player, Movie star or anyone else who has a following that endorse a product for money.  I see people do this all the time with Twitter so I really cannot see a difference here.

 

If people are so gullible to purchase a product because some YT, Basketball Player or Movie star endorse the product then why has this become some big issue.

It's not quite the same thing though. Even those celebrities have to make public that they're endorsing an item and the fact they're getting paid is in the public domain.

In this case, the youtubers cannot reveal they're getting paid to endorse the X1. It's fine for them to get paid to endorse a product, but the fact they're getting paid to do so has to be revealed and publicly stated.



The only thing I'm really starting to not like about this is now people are accusing all youtubers of being shills and are shitting on us, when this was in fact a small amount of youtubers who entered this promo to begin, smfh at the guy who leaked this, he must have been such a butthurt fanboy , now he's damaging all youtbers reputation as a whole ugh