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TheSting on 21 January 2014
Somini said:
Kresnik said:
What on earth happened here?

This thread isn't about Kowenicki. Enough with these accusing posts. Any more after this will get moderated.

Goes to show that he's derailed the thread. Which is why i think it would be great if we had a system in place that maximized the number of posts in the same topic, by the same user.


Horrid idea



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Somini on 21 January 2014
TheSting said:
Somini said:
Kresnik said:
What on earth happened here?

This thread isn't about Kowenicki. Enough with these accusing posts. Any more after this will get moderated.

Goes to show that he's derailed the thread. Which is why i think it would be great if we had a system in place that maximized the number of posts in the same topic, by the same user.


Horrid idea

Why is it horrid? It can help stop people derailing threads. I say that's something good.



Raven on 21 January 2014
bananaking21 said:
kowenicki said:
Somini said:
We're used to these Microsoft tricks by now. Pff so pathetic that this is their standard!

Seriously?  Get off your high horse.

I doubt there is any major corporation that hasnt at some time used shills or covert marketing techniques.  hell Sony has a massive army of unpaid ones. lol

oh look...

LOS ANGELES - A judge approved an agreement calling for Sony Pictures Entertainment to pay $1.5 million to settle a class-action lawsuit accusing the studio of citing a fake movie critic in ads for several films, an attorney said Tuesday.

Oops...  I wonder how many times companies get caught and how many times they dont.


the console war mentality that you have is nothing short of outstanding, anything bad ever said about microsoft you do your utmos best to try show that sony is just as bad or even worse. it just so happens to be that your examples are always about sony, oh my,  what a coincidence. this thread is about microsoft, Sony has nothing to do with it. 

What are you talking about. Of course this thread is about Microsoft. Today there has been about 5-6 threads about the same goddamn thing, and I'm pretty sure I'm being generous at that count.

Every time some stupid story like this breaks, the same users with the same agenda look forward to chastising Microsoft for something every company does. Is this tactic right? No. But do we hear the same level of hostility when its anyone else but Microsoft? No sir.

Go ahead and call out kowenicki for it though, I'm sure you'll get a lot of backup for it. Doesn't make you any less part of the problem.

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As for my own personal view on the topic.. actually did I post in here already? I can't even tell anymore because I've seen this subject come up so much today. It's not an honest tactic, and I'd prefer it to stay out of advertising. Not gonna fool myself thinking Microsoft is the only company evil enough to do it though.



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think-man on 21 January 2014

I bet nearly all big companies do this, that doesn't make it right though.



 

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TheSting on 22 January 2014
RolStoppable said:
TheSting said:
Somini said:
Kresnik said:
What on earth happened here?

This thread isn't about Kowenicki. Enough with these accusing posts. Any more after this will get moderated.

Goes to show that he's derailed the thread. Which is why i think it would be great if we had a system in place that maximized the number of posts in the same topic, by the same user.

Horrid idea

What do you mean?

1) Implementing the proposed number-of-posts-thing.
2) Quoting the warning of a moderator only to ignore it.


Both especially the first.



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TheSting on 22 January 2014
Somini said:
TheSting said:
Somini said:
Kresnik said:
What on earth happened here?

This thread isn't about Kowenicki. Enough with these accusing posts. Any more after this will get moderated.

Goes to show that he's derailed the thread. Which is why i think it would be great if we had a system in place that maximized the number of posts in the same topic, by the same user.


Horrid idea

Why is it horrid? It can help stop people derailing threads. I say that's something good.


What if the discussion prompted responses from a person? What if it were a legit question asked that needed more answers? Why did i have to explain this silly suggestion?

 

P.S. you took it further off topic by complaining that he was off topic and derailing. 



Machiavellian on 22 January 2014
Scoobes said:
Machiavellian said:
Fusioncode said:
Machiavellian said:
So let me get this straight. MS paid to have a personality praise their product. Would this be any different if MS paid Tom Cruz to promote the X1. Am I missing something?

The difference being that people KNOW when a celebrity is endorsing a product. They wont have any idea that a youtuber is getting paid to say positive things about the XBO. 

I still see no difference. As the article stated, this is not something new where a company pay a YT celebrity for advertising.  Actually, the more I think about it, I really do not see any difference.  If a YT celebrity have a million people watching their content, that would make them a Celebrity.  If that person is willing to endorse a product for money, that YT person is no different than some basketball player, Movie star or anyone else who has a following that endorse a product for money.  I see people do this all the time with Twitter so I really cannot see a difference here.

 

If people are so gullible to purchase a product because some YT, Basketball Player or Movie star endorse the product then why has this become some big issue.

It's not quite the same thing though. Even those celebrities have to make public that they're endorsing an item and the fact they're getting paid is in the public domain.

In this case, the youtubers cannot reveal they're getting paid to endorse the X1. It's fine for them to get paid to endorse a product, but the fact they're getting paid to do so has to be revealed and publicly stated.

I just read the FTC act on endorsement and it does not state anything about celebrities having to make endorsing public.  The only thing the FTC act states is that the endorsement cannot contain any false or misleading information.  In other words if the person is publicly saying that the X1 does something, it has to be something it actually does and they have proof.  As long as the people who endorse the product was truthful in what they stated then there is nothing wrong or different from any other endorsement.

There is plenty of evidence of people endorsing a product even on twitter where a contract is not stated.  The only thing that would make this marketing venture by MS illegal or even unethical is if there were false or misinformation from people who endorse the product.



selnor1983 on 22 January 2014

This is OVER.

Its been shown on the web the EXACT same wording Sony, Samsung, Nintendo and EA have done this. Its normal advertising practice. And HUNDREDS of companies have done this. Its not illegal to hide the value. The promotion itself is NOT secret. AS is its not against the law.

Further WORSE than all of this fiasco is amidst this we all found out Sony MADE their own FALSE reviews. Now that isn't advertising. That's Much Much worse.



Porcupine_I on 22 January 2014

So, now Microsoft steps in to solve the issue by exposing everyone who participated.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-01-21-microsoft-paid-youtubers-to-say-nice-things-about-xbox-one-report

It may be the right thing to do, but i can see these people think twice about participating in something like that ever again, let alone make another positive Xbox One video



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FlamingWeazel on 22 January 2014
selnor1983 said:
This is OVER.

Its been shown on the web the EXACT same wording Sony, Samsung, Nintendo and EA have done this. Its normal advertising practice. And HUNDREDS of companies have done this. Its not illegal to hide the value. The promotion itself is NOT secret. AS is its not against the law.

Further WORSE than all of this fiasco is amidst this we all found out Sony MADE their own FALSE reviews. Now that isn't advertising. That's Much Much worse.


Please post where they have done this with Explicitely stating to not say anything about said endorsement? You have said this numerous times with zero proof. That was years ago and Sony got FINED, so what's your point?