The funny thing with your last statement is that  Iwata also said that they have learned their lesson with the delays and then they continue to delay.

But hey, I don't dislike Iwata. I really like him and while the Wii U is a screw up right now, does it mean it always will be? That is something we will have to see and I'm glad Nintendo is trying to at least put their software on the system for the rest of the year. That alone show that they are thinking of them screwing up. Sadly their manpower won't allow the problem to be solved completely for a while.

Whats your point? that comment about TLOU was clearly bannable, NintendoPie has justified his comments.

Are you saying that, if at all possible, kicking Iwata out of the CEO seat would be a good thing?

Edit: I feel as though they definitely need to do something, if kicking Iwata out is not the answer.

I wouldn't call it a failure until we see sales for 2014 cause that's when 2 huge exclusives will release. If the WiiU continues to sell badly then it will be called a failure.

I'm saying it is irrelevant. Nintendo is not like Sony, who is more vulnerable to the pressures of international stockholders whereby a large-scale shakeup of the company's leadership due to negative business is possible. Short of large-scale embezzlement or them getting indicted for holding a bunch of twelve-year-olds in their basement or something, there will NEVER be a large-scale shakeup on Nintendo's board.

For better or worse, the company's leadership is quite insulated from pressure of any sort.

We will in a world where the fittest survive, and the weak die out. With more competition, games get better because the standard goes higher, and people who can't keep up drop out.

In the late 80's and early 90's, Nintendo's games were a step above everyone elses. They were the best, and the sold the best, simple as that.

However, like many Japanese companies, seniority is given too much power. Old devs who ran out of ideas a long time ago, are still leading big projects, despite newer devs being more capable. So as a result, Nintendo games have started to become the same, rehashed, redone. Mario is Mario, Zelda is Zelda, and Nintendo continues to heavily rely on old old IP's.

Nintendo deserves poor sales with the Wii U because they just brought the standard down too much. Every console prior to the Wii U launched with at least 1 AMAZING game, often times 2 or 3 great ones too. Wii has Twilight Princess and Wii Sports, GCN had Smash Bros, Pikmin, and Luigi's Mansion, N64 had Super Mario 64, and the list goes on... Wii U had nothing, what else did they expect? They deserve poor sales because they didn't deliver a product worth buying

When more games release for Wii U, I'm sure sales will jump. However Sony and MS have taken this opportunity to attack as well, and PS4/One will release strong and hard.

Nintendo made mistakes with the Wii U, they deserve poor sales, but they can redeem themselves. Altus developing SMT x Fire Emblem, Namco making Smash Bros., Monolith Soft making a AAA JRPG exclusive, and publishing all of Platinum Games exclusives are clear signs that Nintendo might be changing to meet that higher standard gamers expect today. I hope Nintendo does more of this, Retro Studios developing Metroid Prime was one of the best decisions they made in recent years, and Monolith Soft/Platinum Games are also great studios. Nintendo needs to give more projects to the new guys, and I think they will.

1. Wii U is definitely being sold at a loss, because they haven't announced it's being sold at a profit yet

2. Someone on neogaf said the accounting trick is to repatriate a ton of cash from EU and NA, pay huge tax on it in Japan (bad), but it looks like profit. And that Sony keeps money abroad and untaxed because that's actually better.

If I'm drawing correct conclusions, it seems you think their line-up of games this Holiday won't work. Correct?

They've definitely come too late, and may be less of an impact because of that, but I think they'll do something. Though a jump back like the 3DS had doesn't seem possible. Even with those games.

Edit: I also think that maybe Nintendo feels as though their Holiday line up will make up for these bad 160k shipment moments. So they are most likely in denial, I agree.

Nintendo messed up the software and in my personal opinion the controller itself. its to big and awkward and playing on one made me not buy it. i still intend to get one but I'm really hoping a controller re-design is coming

You prefer Wii U had; no gamepad, a catchy name, a steady flow of games, and a fast OS from the start. An HD Triplet. Regular game releases is asking too much from a single publisher. Do you want a 8 core cpu and 8gb ram?