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NintendoPie on 31 July 2013
Conegamer said:

You're neither disappointed nor surprised, because you are pleased. But I don't see how you can be pleased, as I said. The sales don't hold much promise for the short term future, and cast doubt on the long term potential. Not only that, but 3rd parties will see the floundering sales figures and not support the system (or even less), which makes the situation even worse.

Saying they weren't ready is true, and sad. But how can any of that be pleasing?

The reason I am pleased is because Nintendo still hadn't learned anything from back when the 3DS was doing bad. Iwata said that they learned, but they obviously hadn't. The Wii U came along an showed that Nintendo didn't even seem to pay attention.

Do you not think Nintendo needs to take pointers from this failure? I'm happy for the Wii U to flounder because Nintendo now has the chance to look at their company and notice that they are doing something wrong here.



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Solid-Stark on 31 July 2013

Well as long as they post a profit.

This holiday, Nintendo needs to make the WiiU strongly relevant. The 1st party titles will be rolling out but it will need more.



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Dunban67 on 31 July 2013

NintendoPie 4 hours ago

"Truth be told, I am actually happy with what the Wii U's sales have been. The 160'000 figure that was reported by Nintendo opened my eyes to just how bad the situation is, and I'm happy about.

Nintendo clearly messed up with their Wii U and they are deserving of having a horrible time with the console. Maybe not deserving of extremely bad luck, but bad sales are surely useful to teach them that maybe they should think before they go off and build another console. Because they obviously didn't think long and hard enough about this one. The Gamepad is too expensive, the name was awkward at first, the games haven't been available at all, the OS was extremely slow until they had you download and update (which didn't come until a few months after launch, to my knowledge.), etc.

Hopefully Nintendo doesn't drop the ball on their next console, because I do believe they'll have another. Just maybe not one as badly planed out as this one has so far.

Anyhow, what are your feelings on the Wii U's failure? Does Nintendo need to see how bad they are doing before they get better? I sure think so, but I want to hear your opinions as well. (Also, try to have an explanation for both sides. It opens up more discussion.)"

Dunban67 says:

I agree w everything you said- but has Nintendo gotten the message enough to do things differently than they have? I don t see any evidence of it yet. Their stated strategy is to follow the same plan they executed for the 3ds - almost exactly - without the price cut- so far. Although the coming software is going to sell more Wii U s, they are going to be disappointed if they think the results will be the same as the 3ds- matter of fact the 3ds is going to be competing for sales w the Wii U (hardware and software) as the software is either the same/similar to what the 3ds has released or will release at aprox the same time. How many people who want 1st party Nintendo but are also gamers will just get their "Mario fix" on the 3ds then buy a PS4 or Xbox for their console?

I see no sense of urgency from Nintendo to date



ethomaz on 31 July 2013

Can we say that Nintendo mistakes with Wii U are comparable to Sony mistakes with PS3? I know it is too early to say that but I think most of mistakes are similar. The biggest difference is that Sony was too big with PS2 so the mistakes hurted less PS3 than what Nintendo are suffering with Wii U right now.

But I can't be out of my way too lol



snyps on 31 July 2013
NintendoPie said:
snyps said:
NintendoPie said:

...they obviously didn't think long and hard enough about this one. The Gamepad is too expensive, the name was awkward at first, the games haven't been available at all, the OS was extremely slow until they had you download and update ... etc.
You prefer Wii U had; no gamepad, a catchy name, a steady flow of games, and a fast OS from the start. An HD Triplet. Regular game releases is asking too much from a single publisher. Do you want a 8 core cpu and 8gb ram?

 

I don't think I said any of those things in my OP. Where'd you hear that from?

Also, are the points in italics bad? I thought that's actually what made a console good... guess I was wrong.



Then you offer no hindsight solutions to the launch and now you wanna send nintendo to their room with no supper.



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enditall727 on 31 July 2013
RolStoppable said:
NintendoPie said:

If I'm drawing correct conclusions, it seems you think their line-up of games this Holiday won't work. Correct?

They've definitely come too late, and may be less of an impact because of that, but I think they'll do something. Though a jump back like the 3DS had doesn't seem possible. Even with those games.

Edit: I also think that maybe Nintendo feels as though their Holiday line up will make up for these bad 160k shipment moments. So they are most likely in denial, I agree.

The lineup won't change the long term fortunes of the Wii U, but the console will see a significant bump during the holiday quarter. The philosophy and strategy behind the Wii U is bad and the only way it could have worked (at least somewhat) is if third parties were supporting the system through its entire lifecycle.

In a way the Wii U seems like a concept that happydolphin came up with. The underlying premise is to combine red ocean and blue ocean strategies, but that's not possible, because these two things are mutually exclusive. Yet Nintendo attempted it anyway.

You know what the root cause of Nintendo's problems is? The belief that the Wii was a failure. That's what they believe, hence why they abandoned it so quickly. But what's worse is that they also believe that the GameCube only failed because of timing, branding and marketing. So Nintendo makes GameCube 2.0 and calls it the Wii U (Gamepad is the evolution of the GC-GBA connectivity), because the only good thing about the Wii to them was its strong brand. But at some point Nintendo has to realize how stupid they have become. That point should have been E3 where Iwata pointed out things like "Donkey Kong has fur.", "Bayonetta has new hair." and other ridiculous non-selling points. That's how bad the Wii U is, because about the only thing Nintendo can come up with boils down to "better graphics than the Wii".

As long as Nintendo's defintions for failure and success are so screwed up, they will create more failures. Maybe the failure of the Wii U gives them a much needed reality check, but it's just as possible that they will refuse to change their minds.


So what do you think Nintendo should do? They're in a situation that i know for a fact that they're able to get themselves out of. They just need to realize what it is.



ethomaz on 31 July 2013

RolStoppable said:

The idiocy is comparable, but the mistakes themselves are different. The biggest difference between the PS3 and Wii U is that the video game industry wanted the PS3 to succeed and the Wii U to fail. Plus the world economy in 2007 was much more favorable than it is in 2013. Right now it doesn't really get acknowledged, because it's written off as a Nintendo problem and because nobody gives a damn about Sony's handheld. But once the PS4 and especially the X1 struggle out of the gate, people will change their minds.

Do you think the PS4/Xbone sales will be like the Wii U? I think they will do way better than Wii U.



enditall727 on 31 July 2013
ethomaz said:

Can we say that Nintendo mistakes with Wii U are comparable to Sony mistakes with PS3? I know it is too early to say that but I think most of mistakes are similar. The biggest difference is that Sony was too big with PS2 so the mistakes hurted less PS3 than what Nintendo are suffering with Wii U right now.

But I can't be out of my way too lol


I think Nintendo's downfall was when they moved away from the Wii Mote. The GamePad was a step backwards.

 

The GamePad doesn't bring any excitement like the Wii Mote. 

 

They need to pack the Wii Mote back in because it's superior to the GamePad



zorg1000 on 31 July 2013
ethomaz said:

RolStoppable said:

The idiocy is comparable, but the mistakes themselves are different. The biggest difference between the PS3 and Wii U is that the video game industry wanted the PS3 to succeed and the Wii U to fail. Plus the world economy in 2007 was much more favorable than it is in 2013. Right now it doesn't really get acknowledged, because it's written off as a Nintendo problem and because nobody gives a damn about Sony's handheld. But once the PS4 and especially the X1 struggle out of the gate, people will change their minds.

Do you think the PS4/Xbone sales will be like the Wii U? I think they will do way better than Wii U.


Not as bad as Wii U initially but slow nonetheless, probably similar to PS360 first year sales.



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Cobretti2 on 31 July 2013

Nintendo major problem with the Wii U is they thought 3rd party ports and EA's unprecedented support would get them through the game drought .

There second problem is wanting backwards compatibility. So they spend more time tweaking/creating custom design hardware instead of going for ff the shelf modern stuff which would have cost more.

I agree the gamepad cost them a lot too. However I like it, but they didn't show people like they did with the Wii U, why they want the gamepad.