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kowenicki said:

Agreed.

And if the 720 and PS4 announcements are to be believed... i.e. both before/at E3. It will get worse and hardware will drop like a stone.

Surely Sony wont actually announce the PS4 in Feb with a launch of 2014? that seems insane to me.

of course not...they'll announce it February with a 2013 launch.  Why are people so set in their belief that PS4 will release in 2014?




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they will do fine this year. not gangbusters. but fine. and the PS3 appears to have a ton of games releasing, and xbox too.



Well I can't wait for the next Xbox and PlayStation so I'm excited either way.



theRepublic said:

Here is the separated analysis everyone was asking for.  I copy and pasted the exact numbers from the charts, so you will notice 2005 looks a little different because of the rounding TheSource did.

  LTD Hardware Yearly Software Game Purchase Rate
Year X360 PS3 X360 PS3 X360 PS3
2005 1,178,267 0 2,849,162 0 2.42 ---
2006 7,979,799 1,252,040 25,207,607 2,033,730 3.16 1.62
2007 15,859,351 9,174,095 61,447,450 37,173,227 3.87 4.05

2008

26,772,474 19,378,853 108,909,458 88,788,171 4.07 4.58
2009 36,932,992 32,376,827 107,118,181 96,837,921 2.90 2.99
2010 49,961,079 46,388,642 133,691,251 131,311,968 2.68 2.83
2011 63,769,444 60,507,735 154,713,292 148,409,212 2.43 2.45
2012 74,249,953 72,396,583 143,023,845 135,880,467 1.93 1.88

I guess I will throw in a little of my own analysis.

If you were to graph the game purchase rate against time, it would make a rough bell curve with both consoles peaking in 2008.  It is pretty amazing how far both consoles dropped in 2009, with both falling more than one game in purchase rate.  It was more slow decline in 2010 and 2011, but 2012 brought another small cliff.  Both fell another half game in 2012.  The Xbox360 has now dropped below its launch point.  The PS3 has not yet gone that low, but it is close.  I would not be surprised by another 0.5 drop in purchase rate for 2013.  That would put both consoles well below their rate at launch.  Clearly, that would be the time for new consoles.



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Your getting all bunched up over nothing, this data DOESN'T INCLUDE DIGITAL SALES! Sony doesn't publish digital sales data, am I right? This trend ONLY illustrates how digital sales is expanding, taking the place of retail sales.



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man-bear-pig said:
kowenicki said:
Agreed.

And if the 360 and PS4 announcements are to be believed... i.e. both before/at E3. It will get worse and hardware will drop like a stone.

Surely Sony wont actually announce the PS4 in Feb with a launch of 2014? that seems insane to me.


If anyone in Sony HQ knows anything about economics then they won't do that. 'Twould be suicide


 Yep Sony will announce it! LOL .. I wouldnt be surprised if they did! haha incompetent company.



 

Gilgamesh said:
man-bear-pig said:
Gilgamesh said:

Ton's of huge games releasing 2013 could be a good year.


How many units do you think the PS3 will sell next year?


About 8 or 9 million, there will be a price cut which will help, but a PS4 announcements going to slow things down a lot.


That sounds realistic. For a second there I thought you'd do an Ethomaz and predict 20m or something



Gilgamesh said:
man-bear-pig said:
Gilgamesh said:

Ton's of huge games releasing 2013 could be a good year.


How many units do you think the PS3 will sell next year?


About 8 or 9 million, there will be a price cut which will help, but a PS4 announcements going to slow things down a lot.

It would be sub 10 million even without PS4 anouncement. The only home console selling 8 figures in 2012 is Wii U.

Wii U can easily have a 10 million lead by the time Sony and MS release their next consoles. But in the grand scheme of things that 10 million lead isn't much unless it grows by a lot oiver the following 3-4 years. Wii U ending the next gen 10 million ahead is a win but not a great win.



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007BondAgent said:

Sony likes to announce leak things early

Fixed.