Err... no they don't. A good number of multi-plats now ofer a significant improvement over the console versions. Even when devs don't try (e.g. Mass Effect 2 uses the same textures) there is a noticeable difference due to higher anti-aliasing, better lighting effects, more shadows, longer view distances etc.

Yes but the console version doesn't look crappy in comparison..

So proof by example. There is even 3 examples that makes the console graphics look crappy, by your own words. Hence, crappy.

Also, running a game at 1920x1200 with 60 FPS can hardly be called "about the same," hence again, crappy.

No wonder you guys always end up banned.

Did you actually bother to read any of my posts in this thread.  Cause you know... you've kinda missed the point entirely.

I'll sum it up again.

Thanks to consoles increased market shares...  Developers are basing their graphics levels around consoles, instead of the ultra high PC level graphics.

Unlike back when Morrowind first came out, and you needed a decent computer to play it.  A computer with crappy graphic capabilties like mine can get great framerates because it's based around consoles even more subpar graphical abilties.

The fact that games with far supeiror graphical abilties proves that it's possible, but isn't being done to keep console ports in mind.

Which mind you i consider a GOOD thing.  I just bought the Geneforge collection off steam for gods sake.

It's a fact that my graphical capailties are crappy compaired to even an average PC bought off a shelf today.  It's also a fact that consoles level of graphic capability is below that of my crappy PC's grahics.  So how in anyway is that trolling?   Espiecally considering the fact that i think having crappy graphics is generally a GOOD thing because it means I can actually play the games, and means that high budget games with crappy graphics usually put that money elsewhere which usually leads to a better game?

No it does not. o_O;

Water in uncharted 3 is very low res compared, Snow is good though on Uncharted 2 , but still not as good as Skyrim's especially in the snow storms.

also now Uncharted related, Uncharted 2 looks great, but i have no idea why Naughty Dog decided to ditch AA (anti aliasing) on Uncharted 3 , the game looks very jagged and rough, everything looks like it has some sparkling worm crawling around it, they should somehow patch it and enable AA , i don't think it will do that much effect on the framerate, if its 2X AA for example, just don't remove it all together =/ 

It does look good on PC (playing it with config file adjusted maximums myself) but not massively different from console apart from resolution and frame rate - imagine playing Skyrim with CoD level smoothness basically.

The problem with Skyrim on PC (although depending on your point of view it's not a problem) is that it is running on what is clearly a Directx9 engine (so far as I can tell) in line with 360/PS3, and while it looks better on PC it can't support any DX10 or DX11 goodness.

The best thing about Skyrim on PC isn't really the graphics improvement anyway (since it isn't that much) but the mods, which are already separating it from console and over time will certainly make it almost a different game.

If you really want to show of your PC (graphically) you need Battlefield 3 or any similar game pushing DX11 effects.

Did you notice he said it was good that a 3-4 year old PC was all that was needed to keep up with consoles ,not bad for 5-6 year old consoles keeping up with younger PC's.

3 games with much better graphics on PC? No, no, no. All multiplats look significantly better on the PC, that's not even an argument at all. Console hardware is based on tech from 2004-2005 and it shows.

As for Skyrim, the visuals are far less impressive from any standpoint than Oblivion was in its time. I'm thinking of writing a rather long-winded post about the whole game in response to the many (undeserved imo) perfect scores it has harvested. This will of course be in a thread of its own. Long story short; Skyrim visuals are good but nothing more and end up looking almost silly compared to a lot of other modern games. Try comparing it with Witcher 2, for instance. Not an open world game but it gets the point across and shows what a truly stunning looking game is like. Especially the textures in Skyrim can only be described as very poor and animations are still rather clunky and robotic. The engine does a good job at lighting but that doesn't really help when light and shadow dance on unimpressive textures and objects.

3 games? o_O  i have no idea what you are smoking , all multiplatform games look better on PC than they do on consoles, again it goes without saying really, and everyone knows that.

see i have these games 

Two Worlds 2 on 360 and PC --> PC looks a lot better , console version is missing a lot of textures including water textures, sunglare , vegetation to name a few

Oblivion on PS3 , PC ---> PC looks a lot better , console version has less vegetation, far less field of view, NO  detailed Star system and NO detailed sky and moon textures , also has very low water textures... to name a few

L4D2 Xbox / PC --> PC looks better,  console version has very low res textures, and when i say very i mean VERY , unstable most of the time.. to be honest L4D2 on xbox is a mess.

Skyrim on PS3/ PC --- > PC looks better, has a lot of effects on sun burns , snow storms and water , snow looks "Cakey" (like Uncharted's snow if you will) and vegetation is a lot more dynamic and has lots more "girth", also the lightning is dynamic, and rugs , stools furnitures...ect are all dynamic.

Crysis 2 on PS3 / PC ---> has better vegetation, dynamic lightning , a lot less screen tearing, far less field of view and so on.

Mass Effect on Xbox and PC ---> Mass Effect 1 is a mess on Xbox ,it goes without saying

bottom line, PC's are always technically advanced than consoles , even if the games are console ports (you know Crysis 2 is a console port right?)

and by the way, i remember you once told me after i recommended to you to get a PSP or DS(i forgot) that you refuse to play on Handhelds because the fact that you can have better graphics on Consoles, and handhelds just sucks graphically, completly ignoring that handhelds offer a different experience than consoles/ PCs ,  its quite ironic don't you think?