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So many launches crammed in 2011 and 2012, why shouldn't Sony wait for 2013 to launch PS4? Sony stated it doesn't want to launch "TOO MUCH LATER", but this doesn't rule out "just a little later", less than 1 year could be fine and September 2013 could be perfect.



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What does dev mean?



man-bear-pig said:
What does dev mean?

"Deviant".

MS allocated billions to make sure XB720 will be the one and only Sexual Harassment Panda's official console.



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Wow my prediction looks more and more likely, can't wait to see it come true next year.

As for the arguments against the Next Box coming out next year.

Software won't be ready , Sorry development of software began in 2008 if the console launches next winter at worst we will have three or so first party titles, not crappy ones either they have been in development for a long time. Third parties are said to have had early kits as early as Q1 this year and we have no idea how much earlier they actually had the kits. Final kits coming this winter gives developers almost an entire year to get their games upgraded to the new hardware. Those saying Nintendo has had longer, well final kits to my knowledge still aren't in developer hands. Nintendo continues to upgrade the kits on a monthly basis the controller is still not completely finalized and the hardware still is in the works. There is no way to know what the third parties have in store till next E3. Plus from leaks and such all the evidence points to Microsoft starting software development before Nintendo.

Their is too many strong titles coming next year I find it funny anyone is going to use a third party title as a reason for no next generation system. Firstly I haven't heard the major publishers say whether or not their games will be coming to the next generation systems. Only that most of them will be available on current ones. Those saying we know of all the WiiU games coming, oh really? Seriously you think we actually know squat? Nintendo never showed a single first party title and the third party titles shown weren't WiiU versions but PS3 versions. Only a few select titles were announced but we know way more studios and publishers have kits. Also with CoD being annual and many of the other announced titles being like wise when is the Next-Xbox supposed to launch? They can't wait for a year free of great software or they will find themselves left out while Nintendo makes all the sales.

360 is still going strong, don't cut its thunder Sorry but PSOne was still selling strong when PS2 launched and PS2 despite being desperatly inferior power wise was still selling strong when PS3 launched. NES was still going pretty good when Nintendo announced SNES. The goal isn't to run your console into the ground before releasing another one, you want a smooth transition. You want your last system to sell for at least a year or two into the life of your next system to maintain profitability as well as brand stability. Look at the television industry, quit while your ahead. So many shows are amazing but the choice is made after 7-9 seasons to cancel the show despite it doing well. Why because the company doesn't want to drive it into the ground.

2012 is too early, Sony won't be a threat yet and Nintendo won't sell enough to be a threat in 2013 Well Sony leaks say their console will come during the winter of 2012. Official Sony statements suggest their console will not be as late as it was with PS3. Sony is also reported to have begun developing software for their PS4. Yes they may not be ready for winter 2012 but they certainly aren't waiting till 2014 as some suggest. As for Nintendo not selling a lot, well lets look at how many units the PS2 sold between 1999 and 2001. By the time Xbox and GameCube were on the market Sony had shipped 20 million units and sold more then half of those (Sorry can't remember how to access the yearly sales data on VGChartz anymore). Microsoft sold millions of units in its first year as well not nearly as well as Sony but still good. by the time Xbox and GameCube turned one Sony had shipped 40 million units! Nintendo Wii and DS were two of the fastest selling systems in history and they had competition from two consoles which out gunned it severely in the graphic power department. What could Nintendo do with a year head start? Also keep in mind while 3DS's launch was a disaster compared to what Nintendo had expected after the price cut the 3DS is already out pacing the DS which is one of the fastest selling systems of all time. There is no telling what Nintendo could do if they were given a year with no competitor.

Half a year is not early enough to announce a new platform Sorry but Microsoft hasn't given more then a years advance on their hardware lately. I mean the 360 was announced within a year of release and in fact Microsoft launched the Slim the day of it being announced showing they have no problem in launching new hardware with little to no notice. Whether they announce at CES is unclear but if it is announced by or during E3 2012 a launch that winter is more then possible. Another thing suggesting it could be announced at CES is the fact that the original Xbox debut at GDC 2000 and the 360 on MTV. There is no reason to believe Microsoft will unveil their console at E3 so CES is actually possible as are other conventions or ways to announce.

I could go on and on about the many reasons Next box is likely coming next winter or within a few months of it. Including Microsoft's said policy made by Peter Moore back when 360 was coming that Microsoft wanted to launch first in the future. Microsoft also had talked about a four year console cycle when 360 was coming they defended that decision and said a four year life cycle was fine. So if Microsoft had no problems with a four year life cycle they would have the system ready awhile in advance. It actually fits perfectly with what we know Microsoft began hiring next generation software developers in 2008. That was 3 years into the 360's life which would match perfectly with Microsoft's readiness to launch in four year cycles, the fact Microsoft held off just shows they were waiting for competition and trying to make back their losses.

There is no logical reason Next-Box can't launch in 2012.



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Joelcool7 said:

Wow my prediction looks more and more likely, can't wait to see it come true next year.

As for the arguments against the Next Box coming out next year.

Software won't be ready , Sorry development of software began in 2008 if the console launches next winter at worst we will have three or so first party titles, not crappy ones either they have been in development for a long time. Third parties are said to have had early kits as early as Q1 this year and we have no idea how much earlier they actually had the kits. Final kits coming this winter gives developers almost an entire year to get their games upgraded to the new hardware. Those saying Nintendo has had longer, well final kits to my knowledge still aren't in developer hands. Nintendo continues to upgrade the kits on a monthly basis the controller is still not completely finalized and the hardware still is in the works. There is no way to know what the third parties have in store till next E3. Plus from leaks and such all the evidence points to Microsoft starting software development before Nintendo.

Their is too many strong titles coming next year I find it funny anyone is going to use a third party title as a reason for no next generation system. Firstly I haven't heard the major publishers say whether or not their games will be coming to the next generation systems. Only that most of them will be available on current ones. Those saying we know of all the WiiU games coming, oh really? Seriously you think we actually know squat? Nintendo never showed a single first party title and the third party titles shown weren't WiiU versions but PS3 versions. Only a few select titles were announced but we know way more studios and publishers have kits. Also with CoD being annual and many of the other announced titles being like wise when is the Next-Xbox supposed to launch? They can't wait for a year free of great software or they will find themselves left out while Nintendo makes all the sales.

360 is still going strong, don't cut its thunder Sorry but PSOne was still selling strong when PS2 launched and PS2 despite being desperatly inferior power wise was still selling strong when PS3 launched. NES was still going pretty good when Nintendo announced SNES. The goal isn't to run your console into the ground before releasing another one, you want a smooth transition. You want your last system to sell for at least a year or two into the life of your next system to maintain profitability as well as brand stability. Look at the television industry, quit while your ahead. So many shows are amazing but the choice is made after 7-9 seasons to cancel the show despite it doing well. Why because the company doesn't want to drive it into the ground.

2012 is too early, Sony won't be a threat yet and Nintendo won't sell enough to be a threat in 2013 Well Sony leaks say their console will come during the winter of 2012. Official Sony statements suggest their console will not be as late as it was with PS3. Sony is also reported to have begun developing software for their PS4. Yes they may not be ready for winter 2012 but they certainly aren't waiting till 2014 as some suggest. As for Nintendo not selling a lot, well lets look at how many units the PS2 sold between 1999 and 2001. By the time Xbox and GameCube were on the market Sony had shipped 20 million units and sold more then half of those (Sorry can't remember how to access the yearly sales data on VGChartz anymore). Microsoft sold millions of units in its first year as well not nearly as well as Sony but still good. by the time Xbox and GameCube turned one Sony had shipped 40 million units! Nintendo Wii and DS were two of the fastest selling systems in history and they had competition from two consoles which out gunned it severely in the graphic power department. What could Nintendo do with a year head start? Also keep in mind while 3DS's launch was a disaster compared to what Nintendo had expected after the price cut the 3DS is already out pacing the DS which is one of the fastest selling systems of all time. There is no telling what Nintendo could do if they were given a year with no competitor.

Half a year is not early enough to announce a new platform Sorry but Microsoft hasn't given more then a years advance on their hardware lately. I mean the 360 was announced within a year of release and in fact Microsoft launched the Slim the day of it being announced showing they have no problem in launching new hardware with little to no notice. Whether they announce at CES is unclear but if it is announced by or during E3 2012 a launch that winter is more then possible. Another thing suggesting it could be announced at CES is the fact that the original Xbox debut at GDC 2000 and the 360 on MTV. There is no reason to believe Microsoft will unveil their console at E3 so CES is actually possible as are other conventions or ways to announce.

I could go on and on about the many reasons Next box is likely coming next winter or within a few months of it. Including Microsoft's said policy made by Peter Moore back when 360 was coming that Microsoft wanted to launch first in the future. Microsoft also had talked about a four year console cycle when 360 was coming they defended that decision and said a four year life cycle was fine. So if Microsoft had no problems with a four year life cycle they would have the system ready awhile in advance. It actually fits perfectly with what we know Microsoft began hiring next generation software developers in 2008. That was 3 years into the 360's life which would match perfectly with Microsoft's readiness to launch in four year cycles, the fact Microsoft held off just shows they were waiting for competition and trying to make back their losses.

There is no logical reason Next-Box can't launch in 2012.

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Serious_frusting said:
I dont understand why a company would release another console when the one on the market has always sold better than the year before. Its just stupid to be honest.

What they going to do, steal sales from themselves and make less money whilst they are at it?

Just silly when you think about it. Who honestly is waiting for a new console to come out? I cant name anyone to be honest, well apart from some super freak in my class who is obsessed with playstation and has said for over a year that the new one is about to release. >_>

That's one spin, but it makes sense to put out a more cutting edge machine for the millions in the market for that. There are many waiting for a new console, especially now with the current platforms feeling like they're being pushed to the limit.

They aren't going to steal sales from themselves, they're gonna cover the bases. People who don't want to spend much can get a 360, those willing to spend more for a more advanced machine can get their new console.

The mistake manufactures have made over the years has been high price. For example, 3DS and PS3 were too expensive compared to their predecessors. Xbox 360 and Wii didn't make that mistake which helped them thrive.



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yo_john117 said:
Boy there is a lot of rumors going around for a late 2012 launch. It seems more and more likely every time I see a article on this.

yeah, with halo 4 as the launch game!!!!! that would be awesome!!!!



man-bear-pig said:
What does dev mean?

Game developers

dev kits = development kits



Joelcool7 said:

Software won't be ready

As long as they can port games software will be ready. Neither 360, PS3, or Wii had strong exclusives at launch.

Also, you don't know what developers have under their sleeve. They don't need a development kit to begin designing a game.


Their is too many strong titles coming next year

Its seems like there are always strong titles nowadays. Halo 4 could also be a strong title to launch their new machine. I mean what if that same disc worked on both machines but was superior on their new machine?

 

360 is still going strong, don't cut its thunder

360 will stay strong as long as it keeps getting quality software. Which it should since it shares games with PS3 and Wii U.


2012 is too early, Sony won't be a threat yet and Nintendo won't sell enough to be a threat in 2013

Half a year is not early enough to announce a new platform

2012 seems like a great time to launch to me. That's 7 years after the 360 and it doesn't have to bury the 360. It can work with it via backwards compatibility and cross platform online gaming.

MS doesn't announce things super early either. The 360 was launched about 7 months after it was unveiled.

A 2012 launch would give them an edge as well. They already have Sony reeling and Wii U may be trying to eat into some of their core audience.



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2012/2013 whatever. Most important thing for me is the power it should really be strong. And the software to show it.