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I think people need to understand that there is a difference between using AI to accelerate work and using AI to replace the person doing the work.

If people don't want to but new stuff that's cool, to each their own but let's not being proud of being ignorant.



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Otter said:
Chrkeller said:

My concern is lazy developers will just have gamers use stuff like DLSS because they are too lazy for optimization.  

Lego Batman specifications legit tells users to use FG to get a solid fps...  including to get 30 fps.  

LEGO Batman PC requirements include DLSS, FSR or XeSS with Frame Gen - VideoCardz.com

4k 60 fps requires a 4070...  with DLSS upscaling and FG turned on..  I mean WTF?  

I think this concern should be put to rest to be honest. Look at all the PS5/Series X games with terrible image quality even without AI upscalling options. Developers have already been making bad choices prior to DLSS/FSR4, this is just going to be a way to mitigate those choices. I also think we should stop throwing about the lazy dves comment, they're clearly not lazy and the games are crazy expensive... Time and priority is just not given to performance and instead is focused elsewhere or games are rushed out.


Regarding Batman PC requirements are often pretty unreliable, a lot of devs don't seem to be able to write them probably lol. curious to see what the actual reality is. If the games are running fairly on PS5, no way they should need DLSS on PC for 30fps

Hopefully they are written poorly, because if games start requiring FG to hit 30 fps..  that is just pure laziness.  But fair, see what reality is, versus maybe just poor communication.  



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BraLoD said:

I mean, what do you think PSSR is? In the article is says it's not aiming to replace human models (so no generative AI for models) but to improve tools and get results faster, and that is where AI should be used. The thing is, how intrusive are they willing to get, and how much devs would be forced to adapt to it? That can indeed be concerning. He mentioned Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered as an example and I've never read anything bad about AI from any players or devs, so at least until now, I don't see a problem, actually the PSSR update has been exceptionally praised, as is the Sophy AI on GT7.

AI is not always a problem, how intrusive it can get is.

That last sentence sums up my thoughts quite well: People are jumping waaaay too fast onto the "AI = doomsday!!" mentality— the way I see it is as a technological development capable of allowing for many great innovations in the near future. Yes there will be some who use AI to exploit laborers or in order to... um... maximize death in war (e.g. Israel-Palestine Genocide... it's quite a disturbing thing to research, really). BUT I do firmly believe that when it comes to matters such as technological optimizations, AI is a fantastic development and should be embraced in these avenues.



I love AI, when AI will take control of the world I will be their ally.

For the time being, I'm not against AI. Unless it butcher Grace face for example like the demo of DLSS 5



JackHandy said:
BraLoD said:

I mean, what do you think PSSR is?

In the article is says it's not aiming to replace human models (so no generative AI for models) but to improve tools and get results faster, and that is where AI should be used.

The thing is, how intrusive are they willing to get, and how much devs would be forced to adapt to it? That can indeed be concerning.

He mentioned Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered as an example and I've never read anything bad about AI from any players or devs, so at least until now, I don't see a problem, actually the PSSR update has been exceptionally praised, as is the Sophy AI on GT7.

AI is not always a problem, how intrusive it can get is.

Far be it from me to pretend to know what's inside his mind (or anyone elses), but his wording is quite liberal, if not completely enthusiastic. He isn't parsing words and leaves almost no room for optimism (unless a person supports and fully welcomes AI; if that's the case, pop the corks now).

He gave various examples that are present in the article tho.

The examples of using it like in Horizon Zero Dawn Remaster, which again, up to this point have never seem anyone report problems based on AI for that game.

Gran Turismo 7, we have an actual great use of AI there, called Sophy, that is already present in the PS5 version of the game, is optional, and adapt to every player skills in real time.

PSSR, which we just got an excellent update this year.

And then two other things: helping with hair and with the store.

Helping with hair, he goes into explanation, on that all the renders are still done with humans, but AI helps the technical process to speed up considerably. On that one we still need to see if it results in anything good of bad in-game, but hair has always been notoriously hard to work with in gaming.

And the store, and on that front I have little clue to what he means. We have currently 2 things going on which I think might be affected by it: dynamic pricing for discounts, and insane amounts of AI slop games being purged from the store, both happening very recently. I imagine AI can be used to help with both.

And the last thing, what he expects from it to the future, and yes, sounds like he is excited about it, which in my personal POV has a way greater chance of being a bad thing rather than a good thing, indeed, as their first and vastly most important objective is making money, and corporations salivating about money usually ends up with lots of people getting screwed up.

For now, I can't say we have reason to say something bad about it in the present, all we have up until now is actually pretty damn good, but I would say getting reluctant for the future is always a valid approach with this kind of things.



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Chrkeller said:
BraLoD said:

I mean, what do you think PSSR is?

In the article is says it's not aiming to replace human models (so no generative AI for models) but to improve tools and get results faster, and that is where AI should be used.

The thing is, how intrusive are they willing to get, and how much devs would be forced to adapt to it? That can indeed be concerning.

He mentioned Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered as an example and I've never read anything bad about AI from any players or devs, so at least until now, I don't see a problem, actually the PSSR update has been exceptionally praised, as is the Sophy AI on GT7.

AI is not always a problem, how intrusive it can get is.

My concern is lazy developers will just have gamers use stuff like DLSS because they are too lazy for optimization.  

Lego Batman specifications legit tells users to use FG to get a solid fps...  including to get 30 fps.  

LEGO Batman PC requirements include DLSS, FSR or XeSS with Frame Gen - VideoCardz.com

4k 60 fps requires a 4070...  with DLSS upscaling and FG turned on..  I mean WTF?  

Well, Playstation is an fixated platform and he is mentioning some of their very best studios, so I find hard to believe that would lead to bad optimization (which means it runs poorly for everyone) or drop in quality due to lazyness, unless people will get fired over it, as those studios are oozing with talent and top quality output.

That would be a catastrophe.



firebush03 said:
BraLoD said:

I mean, what do you think PSSR is? In the article is says it's not aiming to replace human models (so no generative AI for models) but to improve tools and get results faster, and that is where AI should be used. The thing is, how intrusive are they willing to get, and how much devs would be forced to adapt to it? That can indeed be concerning. He mentioned Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered as an example and I've never read anything bad about AI from any players or devs, so at least until now, I don't see a problem, actually the PSSR update has been exceptionally praised, as is the Sophy AI on GT7.

AI is not always a problem, how intrusive it can get is.

That last sentence sums up my thoughts quite well: People are jumping waaaay too fast onto the "AI = doomsday!!" mentality— the way I see it is as a technological development capable of allowing for many great innovations in the near future. Yes there will be some who use AI to exploit laborers or in order to... um... maximize death in war (e.g. Israel-Palestine Genocide... it's quite a disturbing thing to research, really). BUT I do firmly believe that when it comes to matters such as technological optimizations, AI is a fantastic development and should be embraced in these avenues.

Yes.

Tech is always evolving, that's why we got so many incredible things today, how its used is the important part. AI can be used for a lot of good and bad things, like the internet itself. Which doesn't we should completely avoid it, there are many benefits to be had.



Besides the Bandai Collab, Nishino seems to be talking more about ML; doesn't seem like it's gen AI.



Machine Learning has been around for a while and is fine.

It's generative AI that's reprehensible garbage.



I wonder if people were like this after the printing press was invented ..