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Cerebralbore101 said:
BraLoD said:

You have more knowledge available in your pocket than a whole country has stored in libraries.

The amount of useful information in real books makes internet information look like trash. Wikipedia barely scratches the surface of many topics. For example, you can either read "Wars of the Roses," that is 512 pages of history detailing the English Civil Wars, or you can read the maybe 30-40 pages from Wikipedia, which lack a lot of context. Yeah, the internet has more information available, but that information is hard to find, and often low quality. For every one useful website with legitimate information, these days, there are thousands of pieces of disinformation out there. The internet doesn't give you knowledge as much as it gives you disinformation. 

The internet has everything, including the lies and garbage. Real books try their best to have truth. 

A quick search in the Internet Archive gave me access to both a book called The Wars of the Roses (316 pages) and Wars of the Roses: Stormbird (520 pages), is any of this the book you are looking for?

Also, there are many ebook services like from Amazon, Google etc were you can access have to obscene amounts of books of all kinds, maybe its on those as well.

The amount of content available in the internet is simply mindblowing.



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curl-6 said:

Machine Learning has been around for a while and is fine.

It's generative AI that's reprehensible garbage.

He is talking about generative models. From the article.

We’ve already seen the teams at Naughty Dog, San Diego Studio, and others adapt our tools, including in released titles like Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered. Another example is the tool we built for animating hair. This is often a labor-intensive process given the volume of strands that must be created. Our teams have accelerated this process by taking videos of real hairstyles and having an AI tool output a 3D model with hundreds of strand models. These practical applications allow our teams to spend less time on manual, high-effort tasks, and to instead reinvest their time into building richer worlds and gameplay for our players.

Generative models have been around for a while too, just as long as discriminative ones, just haven't been very good until recently. 



Cerebralbore101 said:

The internet has everything, including the lies and garbage. Real books try their best to have truth. 

We're way off-topic, but "real" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in this post. No true Scotsman fallacy and all.

You could just as well have said that the real internet tries its best to have truth, while a library or bookstore has everything, including lies and garbage. See how that goes?

Hell, I'd argue that in the pre-Internet days, even good books included out-of-context, incomplete, and outdated data because, although some authors tried their best, their sources were limited in quality and quantity.



 

 

 

 

 

This doesn't seem like a surprise to me. Any business will dive headfirst into any tech that can save on production costs. I wouldn't be surprised if Valve, Microsoft, and Nintendo are similarly enthused by AI...



BraLoD said:

I mean, what do you think PSSR is?

In the article is says it's not aiming to replace human models (so no generative AI for models) but to improve tools and get results faster, and that is where AI should be used.

The thing is, how intrusive are they willing to get, and how much devs would be forced to adapt to it? That can indeed be concerning.

He mentioned Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered as an example and I've never read anything bad about AI from any players or devs, so at least until now, I don't see a problem, actually the PSSR update has been exceptionally praised, as is the Sophy AI on GT7.

AI is not always a problem, how intrusive it can get is.

I have nothing against the use of AI in gaming, but it's kinda sad that we have to rely on that to get acceptable performance in many titles.

It feels like many companies are not even trying to optmize their games anymore.



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sc94597 said:
curl-6 said:

Machine Learning has been around for a while and is fine.

It's generative AI that's reprehensible garbage.

He is talking about generative models. From the article.

We’ve already seen the teams at Naughty Dog, San Diego Studio, and others adapt our tools, including in released titles like Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered. Another example is the tool we built for animating hair. This is often a labor-intensive process given the volume of strands that must be created. Our teams have accelerated this process by taking videos of real hairstyles and having an AI tool output a 3D model with hundreds of strand models. These practical applications allow our teams to spend less time on manual, high-effort tasks, and to instead reinvest their time into building richer worlds and gameplay for our players.

Generative models have been around for a while too, just as long as discriminative ones, just haven't been very good until recently. 

It's still not good, there's a reason it's called slop.

If Sony wants to go all in on it, guess I'm done ever paying for their games or consoles again.



curl-6 said:
sc94597 said:

He is talking about generative models. From the article.

We’ve already seen the teams at Naughty Dog, San Diego Studio, and others adapt our tools, including in released titles like Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered. Another example is the tool we built for animating hair. This is often a labor-intensive process given the volume of strands that must be created. Our teams have accelerated this process by taking videos of real hairstyles and having an AI tool output a 3D model with hundreds of strand models. These practical applications allow our teams to spend less time on manual, high-effort tasks, and to instead reinvest their time into building richer worlds and gameplay for our players.

Generative models have been around for a while too, just as long as discriminative ones, just haven't been very good until recently. 

It's still not good, there's a reason it's called slop.

If Sony wants to go all in on it, guess I'm done ever paying for their games or consoles again.

I wouldn't call Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered slop. Game looks and plays great!

Nintendo probably isn't going to be too far behind, given Nvidia's influence. So there likely will have to be a point where you decide if you want to still have gaming as a hobby. 



sc94597 said:
curl-6 said:

It's still not good, there's a reason it's called slop.

If Sony wants to go all in on it, guess I'm done ever paying for their games or consoles again.

I wouldn't call Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered slop. Game looks and plays great!

It's a product that didn't need to exist in the first place, Horizon was already playable on PS5 via BC.



curl-6 said:
sc94597 said:

I wouldn't call Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered slop. Game looks and plays great!

It's a product that didn't need to exist in the first place, Horizon was already playable on PS5 via BC.

That could be said for most remasters lol. 



sc94597 said:
curl-6 said:

It's a product that didn't need to exist in the first place, Horizon was already playable on PS5 via BC.

That could be said for most remasters lol. 

Many remasters are lazy cash grabs. Horizon is one of them.