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bdbdbd said:
curl-6 said:

That's my point, they aren't leaving. We can hypothesize what if this happens, what if that happens, etc, but in the here and now, it isn't happening.

Well yes, I get your point. My point was, that they leave the moment they aren't happy. We also have to keep in mind that Nintendo is still interested in kids as their customers, so if the size of the audience remains stagnant, this means there's new people coming in at the same rate there's old ones leaving.

The audience isn't stagnant though, the Switch audience has nearly doubled the previous generation.

The comment I was responding to said that "these days" Nintendo hates their franchises/audience and that people are leaving as a result; I don't see any actual evidence of this.

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JRPGfan said:
bdbdbd said:

I believe playing videogames was the biggest turn off, or ick, for women in a man.

I think there's this problem that, relating to what Disney is now facing too, that there's a vocal minority, who aren't your customers, demanding everything to cater to them. The executives listen to them and end up not catering their core audience. I think someone pointed out that young men haven't been Disney's core audience pretty much ever and now that they bought Star Wars and Marvel, it's pretty obvious that the same execs who know how to cater to young women and kids are making the decisions to to keep catering to young women kids. 

^ this.

And people wont be honest about it, or accept it.
Guys apparently cant have anything (or are allowed to) by women.
Everything needs to be made over to suit them, the end.

There's even people here that cant accept keeping Star wars and Marvel comics as they were, mainly targeting for men, as acceptable. 
It all boils down to the same thing, men apparently arn't allowed their own thing.

Anyways good luck to Disney, hopefully another decade from now, they havn't killed off Marvel comics entirely.
And Star Wars is still a thing, being made. Hopefully both are still semi decent or have improved as well.

Disney bought Marvel in 2009 and Lucasfilm in 2012, for a while they had the biggerst IPs for young male audience. After the Infinity saga there's been huge decline, although I'd give them credit for actually trying something new and different. The Infinity saga worked because the world had cohesion and you could expect certain quality from every film they made even if it wasn't that good to begin with. Now they're ranging from basically being serious like Quantumania or Multiverse of Madness with bad writing to something complete foolishness like Love and Thunder with bad writing. Basically what they had for young men is being driven to ground either by stupidity or laziness. 

I think eventually the get Marvel and Star Wars back to catering their core audience after a reboot or two. Kind of the problem Marvel is, that they already dissolved it and integrated everything with Disney, so Marvel can't operate independently anymore.



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Torillian said:
bdbdbd said:

Actually I had by pointing out that men don't have any problems with the chores after they're divorced. Also, if you follow what men say that what they do is never good enough for women and women say men don't do good enough job. And here's the catch: you do the chores in the household when a woman wants to, not tomorrow when there's time for it, but they have to be done today, because she thinks there's too much dishes, too dirty, sheets need to be changed and so on. There are two people in a relationship and if you want both to participate, you need to find the time from both of your schedule. If you want both to clean next sunday, you agree on it a week earlier, not argue about it a day before. 

If you click thought that thing I sent you with surveys instead of vibes you'll see that even dudes polled agree that women do the bulk of the housework. They have different views, but not enough to change the general conclusion. 

I can't argue against your past relationship issues and anecdotes. I'm married and do about half of the chores (child and house) because I think that's what being an adult means when you both work. So there, you have one experience and I have another. Now maybe we can talk about stuff with evidence to back it up. 

I believe we all agree on women doing more housework than men. I am arguing whether it's because of chores being women's work or because of women choosing to do more of them.

If we remove everyone's anecdotes from the data, we don't have data at all. In your case, you've managed to agree on something that most can't - congratulations.

Most often it seems to be women who complain about the chores and considering today's generations have been raised by mothers, we should also ask why don't mothers teach their sons to do housework.



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the-pi-guy said:
bdbdbd said:

But the female characters are the female fantasy. Problem with Leia and Padme is that they're side characters. Rey on the other hand is Elsa in Star Wars universe. People like Leia and Padme because they're believable.

Whether you like damsell in distress or not, female fantasy is that someone who they love will save them just like male fantasy is to be the hero.

bdbdbd said:

Actually I had by pointing out that men don't have any problems with the chores after they're divorced. Also, if you follow what men say that what they do is never good enough for women and women say men don't do good enough job. And here's the catch: you do the chores in the household when a woman wants to, not tomorrow when there's time for it, but they have to be done today, because she thinks there's too much dishes, too dirty, sheets need to be changed and so on. There are two people in a relationship and if you want both to participate, you need to find the time from both of your schedule. If you want both to clean next sunday, you agree on it a week earlier, not argue about it a day before. 

JRPGfan said:

Again, because of gender rolls.

The law should be equal, but lets not kid ourselves, women get away with alot of sh*t men can't.

What makes these things ironic, is that a lot of these things are cultural issues that you guys are feeding into.  

People having your same mindset, are causing the same issues that you're complaining about.  

You are arguing men and women are fundamentally different - have different skills and interests, while complaining that society tends to assume that mothers will be better parents (because women are fundamentally more interested in raising kids.)

Well, they're cultural issues because it's human nature. They have become cultural issues because that's the way human's act.

People complain when society assumes women are better parents, because they aren't. If yo follow the data, kids raised by single fathers succeed in life roughly as good as kids raised in nuclear families, whereas kids raised by single mothers end up being the worst - still society favours mothers. Mothers aren't better parents than fathers, they're just different. Women being more interested in raising kids doesn't make them better parents, especially if their interest ends for some reason or another. Men on the other hand have the advantage of understanding kids being their responsibility. Women have kids when they want kids, men have kids when they're ready to have the respondibility. 

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There's another clip I can't find from him (maybe he was on someone else's podcast at the time) where Jordan talks about studies where they take very young infants, young enough that they can't be trained or really have any bias yet, and are put in a room with boys and girls toys and they simply watch to see who picks what, trying different variations of this with different locations and toys and toy placements. It was something very high, like 95% of the time, the boys picked the boy toys and the girls picked the girl toys.

Knowing these things, it's not hard to see why men pick certain roles and why woman pick others, and also why we as a society tend to prefer men and woman in certain roles. There are things that men and woman tend to be more interested in or better at, and we as a society like to be catered to with as much ease as is possible.

It's why as to the housework/chores point, society see's that as more of a woman's role. While "stuff" or "things" have to be done in order to accomplish housework, the men aren't as interested and don't really care about the end result so much which is people. Where as the woman cares much more about the people who will benefit from the chores, which is why the housework they do tends to be done much better and is more appreciated. Same reason why you probably want a female or gay male interior decorator. Hiring a straight man would more likely leave your house feeling empty and dull.

None of this is to say however, that men or woman have to do certain things. Everyone has a choice for the most part, as to what you want to do, who you want to hire, or simply how to divvy up tasks.



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It's like I'm watching time turn back to the 80s while reading this thread. My mother (who was an active feminist, Rooie Vrouwen in de PVDA) would roll over in her grave reading some of these comments.

As for my own anecdote, we both do what we're most efficient at. Me cleaning and grocery shopping, my wife cooking, both dealing with school and doctor stuff.

And yes of course there's biology at play in motherhood. But we as a species have to evolve away from primal genetic programming or civilization will not survive (again). The signs of Western Civilizations regressing are everywhere.

As for Disney movies. I lost interest in them for all the live remakes, nothing to do with female leads. Disney simply ran out of 'original' content and keeps rehashing the same stuff over and over. Little Mermaid, Jungle Book, Lion King, Aladdin, Pocahontas and Mulan got me into Disney as a 'young man'. Where did that creativity go.



SvennoJ said:

As for Disney movies. I lost interest in them for all the live remakes, nothing to do with female leads. Disney simply ran out of 'original' content and keeps rehashing the same stuff over and over. Little Mermaid, Jungle Book, Lion King, Aladdin, Pocahontas and Mulan got me into Disney as a 'young man'. Where did that creativity go.

Same place it always goes when entities get to big and have to much power/control for too long.

It goes out the window.

It's part of the reason why we used to make sure to break up entities that had gotten "to large to fail".



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PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

SvennoJ said:

As for my own anecdote, we both do what we're most efficient at. Me cleaning and grocery shopping, my wife cooking, both dealing with school and doctor stuff.

And yes of course there's biology at play in motherhood. But we as a species have to evolve away from primal genetic programming or civilization will not survive (again). The signs of Western Civilizations regressing are everywhere.

In the foreseeable future, not move away from genetic programming, but better balance it with efficiency, as your top point explains.

Moving away from fight or flight would doom the West when it comes to its enemies. That doesn't mean the West has to constantly wage war, but it also doesn't allow the West to move beyond it. The West must balance it as efficiently as it can, for now.

Evolve beyond it eventually, far easier said than done, perhaps, but until then, it's a balancing act.



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PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

bdbdbd said:

Well, they're cultural issues because it's human nature. They have become cultural issues because that's the way human's act.

People complain when society assumes women are better parents, because they aren't. If yo follow the data, kids raised by single fathers succeed in life roughly as good as kids raised in nuclear families, whereas kids raised by single mothers end up being the worst - still society favours mothers. Mothers aren't better parents than fathers, they're just different. Women being more interested in raising kids doesn't make them better parents, especially if their interest ends for some reason or another. Men on the other hand have the advantage of understanding kids being their responsibility. Women have kids when they want kids, men have kids when they're ready to have the respondibility. 

Except they're not. 

A lot of the things that you're talking about have been different in different cultures and different times because they're largely not human nature. And even the things that tend to be influenced by human nature, are still hugely suggestible by changing culture. 

I actually just saw someone explain your latter claim that single fathers have better outcomes. A big reason is that culturally people expect that single fathers need more support. 



SvennoJ said:

It's like I'm watching time turn back to the 80s while reading this thread. My mother (who was an active feminist, Rooie Vrouwen in de PVDA) would roll over in her grave reading some of these comments.

As for my own anecdote, we both do what we're most efficient at. Me cleaning and grocery shopping, my wife cooking, both dealing with school and doctor stuff.

And yes of course there's biology at play in motherhood. But we as a species have to evolve away from primal genetic programming or civilization will not survive (again). The signs of Western Civilizations regressing are everywhere.

As for Disney movies. I lost interest in them for all the live remakes, nothing to do with female leads. Disney simply ran out of 'original' content and keeps rehashing the same stuff over and over. Little Mermaid, Jungle Book, Lion King, Aladdin, Pocahontas and Mulan got me into Disney as a 'young man'. Where did that creativity go.

They're making remakes because their original content isn't good enough anymore. What you said is in the heart of the problem: they think "female lead" in a sloppy story gets people to watch their films for being progressive. The Force Awakens and Rogue One were released a year apart, FA gets all the hate and RO all the praise. Both were Star Wars films and both had a female lead. The story of Rogue One was made in early 2000's when they still were making the prequel trilogy, so it was still made the young men in mind instead of "modern audiences". 

Western society is regressing, in part that's because of the 3rd world immigration where the culture is more conservative than it is in the west, but also the youth today is more conservative than their parents. It's starting to look like that generation X is going to be the most progressive generation. 



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