Another perfectly reasonable explanation. Y'know what isn't an explanation though? That Democrats can steal elections but only when Trump is in office. That's one of the dumbest conspiracy theories I've ever heard. Not everything is a conspiracy sometimes shit's just different for one reason or another. Just like sometimes it snows in Texas and it's not fake snow and sometimes it floods in areas that don't usually flood and it's not because there's Lithium. 

I'm so tired with all these appeal to emotion you people do. It's egregiously manipulative.

There's a difference between spending money to fix a problem that the Democrats have caused. We didn't need to get here in the first place if we actually enforced our borders and kept the illegals out. Trump did it before the Dems surely could find a way if they really wanted to. But we all know they wouldn't do that because they're politically pandering.

It's preposterous you people say that we don't know if they will commit a crime. Illegally crossing the border is already a crime. I don't care if they will be doing violent crime or what not, the rule of law must be followed. There is a process to legally migrate and people should abide by it. If no one wants to follow it, then why the hell do we have these laws for at this point? Then I should have entered illegally here if that's the case.

I'm so tired with all these appeal to emotion you people do. It's egregiously manipulative. I'd rather give money to an organization that rehabilitates homeless US CITIZENS in a meaningful way that actually yields results than let the government whimsically give out tax payer's money to illegal immigrants. This irresponsible spending is how California spent $20+ Billion on tackling homeless with no audit and no results to show.

Them doing violent crime is only a short term issue. The long term effects of these unvetted mass immigration is that it also allows them to abuse birthright citizenship. When that kid is old enough to vote, they can be manipulated into voting for a specific party IF that party pandered to them by promising amnesty and/or a path to citizenship for their parents which they do not deserve in the first place. 

It's baffling that you think it's absurd that Legal Migrants hate this bullshit. You simply resort to calling us conservative as a derogatory. Guess what, that shit don't mean anything to people like me anymore.

Or you know 

A.) Latinos will get harassed because police will assume they're here illegally. We had already seen American citizens that were "accidentally" deported during Trump's first term.

B.) In a lot of cases, would know someone who is illegal. And liberals don't understand why they would want to hurt someone they know. 

Thinking back to John Kerry's loss twenty years ago, I'm reminded how pointless it actually is at this stage trying to determine with any degree of certainty precisely what the Democrats need to do in four years time (beyond the obvious thing of just finding a good candidate). After Kerry's defeat there were many people talking about how the Democrats needed to be more socially conservative, friendlier to big business, and more hawkish on foreign policy in order to ever have any hope of winning an election again. Of course, by the time 2008 actually rolled around, those would have been the absolute last things Obama wanted to do.

It still blows my mind that George W. Bush won two terms. 

Barack Obama won two terms largely because of charisma and some policy proposals. Donald Trump won largely because of charisma even now in 2024 with the insane baggage he has.

George W. Bush didn't seem charismatic at all compared to most presidential candidates. Unless people found the Bushisms endearing compared to Gore and Kerry and their more straightforward approaches. 

Gore did win the popular vote and probably won Florida based on recounts that continued after the Supreme Court handed the presidency to Bush. 

Obviously, charisma doesn't always determine the winner. Joe Biden wasn't charismatic in the slightest, at least not in his late 70s to now. 

George W. Bush didn't seem charismatic at all compared to most presidential candidates. Unless people found the Bushisms endearing compared to Gore and Kerry and their more straightforward approaches.

And this time it was just too hard to cheat while democrats were actually in power?

Do you guys listen to yourselves talk?

Here's a simple explanation for 2020, it was the easiest year to vote ever. It was awesome, shit got sent to your house, you filled it out at home, and then you dropped it in a box. Best experience I've ever had voting. You make it easier to do the thing and more people do it is not surprising to me in the slightest. You make it more difficult again and that number goes back down is also not a surprise.

No one has ever denied that some illegal immigrants are criminals. 

The thing that you conservatives seem to struggle to understand is that liberals don't tend to take these ultra black and white positions. There's a practically frustrating amount of nuance to basically everything.

Some illegal immigrants are murders and rapists and burglars. If you took literally any sizable group of even a thousand people, some of those people are going to be those things. 

If you think that liberals are completely denying that some people are criminals, then you've completely misunderstood their position.

The liberal concerns are:

1.) How much investment is it worth to do deportation? You were just complaining about ballooning a budget. Have you considered the logistics that are required to shut down the border and do all these deportations. How feasible is it to cover a few thousands mile of border. How feasible is it to find 10 million or whatever illegal immigrants and deport them? It would easily cost hundreds of billions dollars overall. 

1a.) How much of this crime would actually be prevented, if you actually did those things? A lot of drugs are illegal in the US, that doesn't stop them from costing billions. 

2.) They're less likely to commit crime than citizens. Which again, "less likely" does not mean "no crime".  It's still a lot of crime actually.

3.) Is that actually the most feasible way to prevent these issues? Conservatives love to punish people, and yet that is frequently the most expensive way to handle things. 

It's this constant idea, that we need a bigger hammer on these issues. Instead of ever wondering, maybe there are other better ways.