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[Robert_Downey_Jr.]

the-pi-guy said:

iron_megalith said:

You can still keep denying what's really going on but it won't go away. Just here in California, they busted a crime ring that had illegals coming in and out of the border to do burglary. The lax border is being used to abuse the system. It's not just in Cali, it's every where else.

No one has ever denied that some illegal immigrants are criminals. 

The thing that you conservatives seem to struggle to understand is that liberals don't tend to take these ultra black and white positions. There's a practically frustrating amount of nuance to basically everything.

Some illegal immigrants are murders and rapists and burglars. If you took literally any sizable group of even a thousand people, some of those people are going to be those things. 

If you think that liberals are completely denying that some people are criminals, then you've completely misunderstood their position.

The liberal concerns are:

1.) How much investment is it worth to do deportation? You were just complaining about ballooning a budget. Have you considered the logistics that are required to shut down the border and do all these deportations. How feasible is it to cover a few thousands mile of border. How feasible is it to find 10 million or whatever illegal immigrants and deport them? It would easily cost hundreds of billions dollars overall. 

1a.) How much of this crime would actually be prevented, if you actually did those things? A lot of drugs are illegal in the US, that doesn't stop them from costing billions. 

2.) They're less likely to commit crime than citizens. Which again, "less likely" does not mean "no crime".  It's still a lot of crime actually.

3.) Is that actually the most feasible way to prevent these issues? Conservatives love to punish people, and yet that is frequently the most expensive way to handle things. 

It's this constant idea, that we need a bigger hammer on these issues. Instead of ever wondering, maybe there are other better ways. 

when you are citing crime numbers, are you talking about immigrants or illegal immigrants specifically?  Because every illegal immigrant commits a crime when they enter the country without the proper procedure.