the-pi-guy said:
No one has ever denied that some illegal immigrants are criminals. The thing that you conservatives seem to struggle to understand is that liberals don't tend to take these ultra black and white positions. There's a practically frustrating amount of nuance to basically everything. Some illegal immigrants are murders and rapists and burglars. If you took literally any sizable group of even a thousand people, some of those people are going to be those things. If you think that liberals are completely denying that some people are criminals, then you've completely misunderstood their position. The liberal concerns are: 1.) How much investment is it worth to do deportation? You were just complaining about ballooning a budget. Have you considered the logistics that are required to shut down the border and do all these deportations. How feasible is it to cover a few thousands mile of border. How feasible is it to find 10 million or whatever illegal immigrants and deport them? It would easily cost hundreds of billions dollars overall. 1a.) How much of this crime would actually be prevented, if you actually did those things? A lot of drugs are illegal in the US, that doesn't stop them from costing billions. 2.) They're less likely to commit crime than citizens. Which again, "less likely" does not mean "no crime". It's still a lot of crime actually. 3.) Is that actually the most feasible way to prevent these issues? Conservatives love to punish people, and yet that is frequently the most expensive way to handle things. It's this constant idea, that we need a bigger hammer on these issues. Instead of ever wondering, maybe there are other better ways. |
There's a difference between spending money to fix a problem that the Democrats have caused. We didn't need to get here in the first place if we actually enforced our borders and kept the illegals out. Trump did it before the Dems surely could find a way if they really wanted to. But we all know they wouldn't do that because they're politically pandering.
It's preposterous you people say that we don't know if they will commit a crime. Illegally crossing the border is already a crime. I don't care if they will be doing violent crime or what not, the rule of law must be followed. There is a process to legally migrate and people should abide by it. If no one wants to follow it, then why the hell do we have these laws for at this point? Then I should have entered illegally here if that's the case.
I'm so tired with all these appeal to emotion you people do. It's egregiously manipulative. I'd rather give money to an organization that rehabilitates homeless US CITIZENS in a meaningful way that actually yields results than let the government whimsically give out tax payer's money to illegal immigrants. This irresponsible spending is how California spent $20+ Billion on tackling homeless with no audit and no results to show.
Them doing violent crime is only a short term issue. The long term effects of these unvetted mass immigration is that it also allows them to abuse birthright citizenship. When that kid is old enough to vote, they can be manipulated into voting for a specific party IF that party pandered to them by promising amnesty and/or a path to citizenship for their parents which they do not deserve in the first place. So far, the Democrats have been pushing for such for a long time. It's baffling that you think it's absurd that Legal Migrants hate this bullshit. You simply resort to calling us conservative as a derogatory. Guess what, that shit don't mean anything to people like me anymore.
