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[the-pi-guy]

iron_megalith said:

I'm so tired with all these appeal to emotion you people do. It's egregiously manipulative.

I don't think I did any appeal to emotion. Enlighten me if you think otherwise. 

Meanwhile you are appealing to emotion - fear. 

Even this post you are mostly just appealing to anger, on this basis that you feel other people are cutting corners. 

iron_megalith said:

There's a difference between spending money to fix a problem that the Democrats have caused. We didn't need to get here in the first place if we actually enforced our borders and kept the illegals out. Trump did it before the Dems surely could find a way if they really wanted to. But we all know they wouldn't do that because they're politically pandering.

Trump's proposal is well beyond "fixing a problem that Democrats have caused". Several million illegal immigrants have been in the country for decades at this point, through Bush's administration, Obama and Trump's. 

iron_megalith said:

It's preposterous you people say that we don't know if they will commit a crime. Illegally crossing the border is already a crime. I don't care if they will be doing violent crime or what not, the rule of law must be followed. There is a process to legally migrate and people should abide by it. If no one wants to follow it, then why the hell do we have these laws for at this point? Then I should have entered illegally here if that's the case.

Didn't say "we don't know if they will commit a crime."

Most people do follow immigration laws. There are still legal processes that happen when someone doesn't. 

Situations are complicated. 
Killing someone is generally illegal, except it's legal when it's done in self defense. 

You're also appealing to tradition here. Just because those are what the laws are, doesn't mean that's what they should be. Clearly conservatives agree with that idea, because they're going to push a much more strenuous law. 

iron_megalith said:

I'm so tired with all these appeal to emotion you people do. It's egregiously manipulative. I'd rather give money to an organization that rehabilitates homeless US CITIZENS in a meaningful way that actually yields results than let the government whimsically give out tax payer's money to illegal immigrants. This irresponsible spending is how California spent $20+ Billion on tackling homeless with no audit and no results to show.

I would happily give money to an organization that helps US citizens in a meaningful way. Why aren't they? 

The big advantage of government is that government doesn't need to make money, whereas companies usually do. 

iron_megalith said:

Them doing violent crime is only a short term issue. The long term effects of these unvetted mass immigration is that it also allows them to abuse birthright citizenship. When that kid is old enough to vote, they can be manipulated into voting for a specific party IF that party pandered to them by promising amnesty and/or a path to citizenship for their parents which they do not deserve in the first place. 

Pandering is a major problem regardless of demographic. Illegal immigrants aren't special or notable in that regard. 

iron_megalith said:

It's baffling that you think it's absurd that Legal Migrants hate this bullshit. You simply resort to calling us conservative as a derogatory. Guess what, that shit don't mean anything to people like me anymore.

1.) I never said it's absurd. You seem to have a major problem with making stuff up. 

2.) Conservative isn't a derogatory. It's a word that has a specific meaning. 

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