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Will PS5 outsell PS4

Yes 23 23.71%
 
No 74 76.29%
 
Total:97

This is Sony's official data and i think the reason sales are either quoted as 117m, 117.1m or 117.2m is because some numbers don't add up due to the rounding process. FY2014 adds up to 14.9m but is rounded down to 14.8m, FY 2019 adds up to 13.4m but is rounded up to 13.5m and FY 20 adds up to 5.8m but is rounded down to 5.7m. The yearly totals add up to 117.1m but are rounded down to 117m, it would be better and more accurate if Sony rounded numbers to the nearest 10k instead of the nearest 100K.

Last edited by ShadowLink93 - on 11 August 2022

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yo33331 said:
ShadowLink93 said:

The PS3 had great legs, it's strong tail got it passed the XB360.

7M after it's successor launched isn't really great .. and a little better legs than PS4 don't make it great. Sony killed it too. If they wanted they could do so the PS3 could sell at least 15M after PS4 launch. But they didn't ..

But that generation was very long, PS3 was already 7 years old and XB360 8 years old when PS4 launched. I think people were desperate for that generation to end and move on.



ShadowLink93 said:

But that generation was very long, PS3 was already 7 years old and XB360 8 years old when PS4 launched. I think people were desperate for that generation to end and move on.

yes, it was. This gen was 7 years too. Despite this 7M (after successor's launch) on 80M total till that point is still not good. Not so bad as the PS4 legs were, but still, weak legs. 10-15M would be good legs, and 15M+ would've been great legs. And sony could at least got good legs if they did a price cut in 2012 or 2013 at latest. 50 or 100$

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yo33331 said:
ShadowLink93 said:

But that generation was very long, PS3 was already 7 years old and XB360 8 years old when PS4 launched. I think people were desperate for that generation to end and move on.

yes, it was. This gen was 7 years too. Despite this 7M (after successor's launch) on 80M total till that point is still not good. Not so bad as the PS4 legs were, but still, weak legs. 10-15M would be good legs, and 15M+ would've been great legs.

Yeah you're right it was 7 years it just didn't seem as long as the PS3/XB360 gen for some reason probably because time flies as you get older, anyway PS3 legs weren't as good as i thought but like you say not as bad as PS4 which only sold a little more than 3 million after PS5 launched.



So it did not beat the Game Boy. By a bald man's hair it didn't reach it. Ooof.



You know it deserves the GOTY.

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Bofferbrauer2 said:
kazuyamishima said:

The site is so biased, that a lot of people expect the PS5 to sell less than the PS4, even if Sony themselves said they expect PS5 shipments to surpass PS4 shipments (launch aligned) in 2023.

And Sony themselves killed the PS4, they are the only ones to made it collapse.

I'm sure many of them have had a look at the statistics and see that the chances that the PS5 outselling the PS4 would break some established trends.

Playstation + Xbox sales taken together have always amounted to ~175M each gen:

  1. PS2+Xbox: 183M
  2. PS3+360: 173M
  3. PS4+XBO: 168M

Meaning if the Xbox is stronger, then the Playstation sells less as a result. Since the XS is selling much better than it's direct predecessor, unless this gen breaks with the model it established the 3 previous generations, PS5 should sell less than the PS4 did.

That being said, there are some unknowns that could alter this a bit: How long this generation will be can have an effect for instance, if there will be some mid-gen upgrades like the PS4 Pro last gen, and so on. So far, noting shows that this gen will deviate from the previous generations, but time will tell if this will stay the same.

Another thing to note is that the Playstation + Xbox total has been dropping a bit each generation. This trend will have to be reversed for there to be any chance for the PS5 to outsell the PS4 since the XS will almost certainly outsell the XBO.

These trends are caused by the quality perception of their consoles. Xbox wasn't nearly as good as the PS2, so most gamers didn't think they were missing out on much. PS3 and X360 were comparable but neither of them were on the level of PS2 or PS1, PS3 had a terrible start and X360 a slow start. Xbox One wasn't as good as the PS4 which is universally considered better than the PS3. PS5 and Xbox Series should break this trend because for the first time, BOTH of them are highly desirable so far. Furthermore, Game Pass is a unique selling point that may appeal to a demographic outside the traditional gaming community, and also increase the percentage of multi console owners. VR has some potential too.

"So far, noting shows that this gen will deviate from the previous generations"

Demand for PS5 and Series consoles is much greater than PS4 and Xbox One. If this is considered "nothing", then what isn't?

If there is one concern to PS and/or Xbox eventually declining, it'd have to be PC. In the long run, PC may prove a bigger threat to console sales than either console is to the other, because it's virtually getting everything... games, accessibility, convenience, continued free online, and even portability. PC is just too appealing of a platform that you don't really need trends to recognize its potential to steal console gamers in very large numbers. It's kind of been happening for a while actually, I know a lot of console gamers who switched to PC ever since the start of the last generation.



kazuyamishima said:

The site is so biased, that a lot of people expect the PS5 to sell less than the PS4, even if Sony themselves said they expect PS5 shipments to surpass PS4 shipments (launch aligned) in 2023.

And Sony themselves killed the PS4, they are the only ones to made it collapse.

Greater competition by both Nintendo and MS is not indicative of higher sales for PS5. People forget that, with the PS4, there was less overall competition because it's competitors shot themselves in the foot out the gate. 

Also, Sony killed the PS4 for a reason. In fact, both the Xbox One and PS4 were killed faster than their predecessors indicating that keeping old hardware available on store shelves may not have the benefits that it used to. Therefore, Sony could do the same with PS5. 

Anyway, it's not bias. It's reason. Xbox + PS sales have been notably consistent (gen 6 was 180M, gen 7 was 170M, gen 8 was 170M). When they are both offering generally the same thing then it's harder for them both to grow at the same time. Nintendo saw this which is why they made the Wii. Video gaming has become more popular, but I wouldn't expect such a significant change in the overall market that Sony can outsell it's second best selling console ever while MS outsells the Xbox One and MAYBE the 360 (though I think this is doubtful, it is still possible). 



I wonder if the PS4 can surpass Gameboy (118.69M) and take the #3 spot (until Switch surpasses PS4).



Doctor_MG said:
kazuyamishima said:

The site is so biased, that a lot of people expect the PS5 to sell less than the PS4, even if Sony themselves said they expect PS5 shipments to surpass PS4 shipments (launch aligned) in 2023.

And Sony themselves killed the PS4, they are the only ones to made it collapse.

Greater competition by both Nintendo and MS is not indicative of higher sales for PS5. People forget that, with the PS4, there was less overall competition because it's competitors shot themselves in the foot out the gate. 

Also, Sony killed the PS4 for a reason. In fact, both the Xbox One and PS4 were killed faster than their predecessors indicating that keeping old hardware available on store shelves may not have the benefits that it used to. Therefore, Sony could do the same with PS5. 

Anyway, it's not bias. It's reason. Xbox + PS sales have been notably consistent (gen 6 was 180M, gen 7 was 170M, gen 8 was 170M). When they are both offering generally the same thing then it's harder for them both to grow at the same time. Nintendo saw this which is why they made the Wii. Video gaming has become more popular, but I wouldn't expect such a significant change in the overall market that Sony can outsell it's second best selling console ever while MS outsells the Xbox One and MAYBE the 360 (though I think this is doubtful, it is still possible). 

Exactly the points that I make as well.  Unless there is some huge influx in the PS/XB ecosystem, logic suggests that PS5 won't reach the PS4's numbers in the end, despite the high demand for the PS5 currently.  Microsoft is far stronger this time and the competition from Nintendo (though not as direct) is night and day compared to last generation.

The only way I see it happening is if the companies' successors stumble out of the gate or this gen lasts much longer than normal.  Then, maybe.  Otherwise, I think the PS5 matching PS4's numbers ain't in the cards.



117 million is a lot, there's no way a random console would reach it.

Congratulations Playstation 4.