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darthv72 said:

Did anyone really think XB would be able to close the gap let alone create a new one? So while you say it should be larger for XB you fail to mention that to even close it was already a pretty big feat. Back in Feb, XB was still behind the PS by 88k units. Then in Mar they not only closed it but pulled ahead by 76k units. Now it is sitting at 279k units ahead and unless something bad happens... it's only going to get larger.

If we got posters talking about an Xbox cinderella story? Absolutely the gap should be larger if these claims are being made. Also, something bad happens? You mean PS5 supply improving lol? Because that's all it takes for Sony to reduce the gap and take the lead. 

Last edited by PotentHerbs - on 12 April 2022

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There is so much denial in this thread, somebody call a 12 step scam company so people can "get better!"



Dulfite said:

There is so much denial in this thread, somebody call a 12 step scam company so people can "get better!"

Denial about what? The numbers are still in Sony's favor. Any post from you, me, or someone else about the future of each platform is all conjecture. 



PotentHerbs said:
Dulfite said:

There is so much denial in this thread, somebody call a 12 step scam company so people can "get better!"

Denial about what? The numbers are still in Sony's favor. Any post from you, me, or someone else about the future of each platform is all conjecture. 

Your face is conjecture!



PotentHerbs said:
gtotheunit91 said:

The biggest problem with your statement is that it's assuming just because PlayStation had a fantastic generation that it would be near impossible for Xbox to catch up in other regions. Although PlayStation is really starting to hamper down in Japan since they've become much more Western focused in recent years. But, if that was true, the 360 and PS3 generation wouldn't have been as close as it was compared to how disgustingly dominant the PS2 was compared to the original Xbox. And that's including the red ring of death debacle and Xbox still had the lead most of that generation. So you can't base what happened during the Xbone and PS4 generation and think that it will play out the same this generation. 

Now that Xbox is going to start cranking out first party titles, a lot of rumors are showing 6-7 games in just 2023 alone, Xbox is finally starting to catch up when it comes to first party output, and if Sony is unable to shore up their shortages by this year, you may very well see those ratios decrease almost 1:1 within the next couple of years. Minus Japan, ain't no way Xbox can compete lol.

Xbox is playing the long game on this, and this generation is aiming to be a long one. This is all keeping in mind that Xbox isn't even focusing on selling as many consoles as possible as Sony or Nintendo are. I don't even plan on buying an Xbox this gen because I get the same experience on my PC. 

So no one should be surprised within the next 3-4 years if Microsoft pulls ahead. Is it likely? I personally don't think so, but numbers will be much closer than many give Xbox credit for. 

Aside from Call of Duty, which is going to remain multiplatform for this generation at least, and Starfield, very few of Microsoft's first party games in the next couple of years are high profile, tentpole IP's that can match the mindshare of something like GOW or GT7, yet alone massive Marvel IP's like SpiderMan 2 or Wolverine. Games like Fable, TOW2, Hellblade 2, Everwild, Avowed, Gears 6, won't generate as much excitement as FF16, yet alone something like GOT2. They may have a slight lead in quantity, but with the amount of partnerships Sony has with independent studios, which includes developers from regions where the Xbox is non existent, as well as third party deals, I don't particularly see Microsoft drowning out Sony in releases.

Forza is probably more popular than Gran Turismo at this point, games like Halo Elder Scrolls, Fallout can stand their own when compared to Marvel IPs and Final Fantasy.

The God of War series has sold over 32m and the Gears of War has sold 27m and that doesn't include Gears Judgement, Gears Collection, and Gears 4/5 sales so suggesting that these games don't generate the same amount of hype is wrong.

I do agree that MS wont drown out Sony in releases, they both have a lot of great games coming up.



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jason1637 said:

Forza is probably more popular than Gran Turismo at this point, games like Halo Elder Scrolls, Fallout can stand their own when compared to Marvel IPs and Final Fantasy.

The God of War series has sold over 32m and the Gears of War has sold 27m and that doesn't include Gears Judgement, Gears Collection, and Gears 4/5 sales so suggesting that these games don't generate the same amount of hype is wrong.

I do agree that MS wont drown out Sony in releases, they both have a lot of great games coming up.

I doubt Forza has surpassed Gran Turismo in popularity. Number of players are not the same as actual sales. Otherwise, I could conflate the popularity of Uncharted 4 (37M players) and the Destiny franchise (187M total players) beyond their actual pull. Also, the God of War franchise has sold over 50M units not 32M units, but more importantly the IP is a lot more popular today then it was during the PS2/PS3 era. 



PotentHerbs said:
jason1637 said:

Forza is probably more popular than Gran Turismo at this point, games like Halo Elder Scrolls, Fallout can stand their own when compared to Marvel IPs and Final Fantasy.

The God of War series has sold over 32m and the Gears of War has sold 27m and that doesn't include Gears Judgement, Gears Collection, and Gears 4/5 sales so suggesting that these games don't generate the same amount of hype is wrong.

I do agree that MS wont drown out Sony in releases, they both have a lot of great games coming up.

I doubt Forza has surpassed Gran Turismo in popularity. Number of players are not the same as actual sales. Otherwise, I could conflate the popularity of Uncharted 4 (37M players) and the Destiny franchise (187M total players) beyond their actual pull. Also, the God of War franchise has sold over 50M units not 32M units, but more importantly the IP is a lot more popular today then it was during the PS2/PS3 era. 

The thing with Forza Horizon 5 is that it wasn’t bundled so all the players and sales were people who actually purchased the game or purchased a subscription to play the game so it’s not the same like Uncharted 4 which was bundled with the PS4 for years. Popularity does I need to include number of players and active players it’s an important metric. Subscription services like gamepass helps a lot and with the numbers Horizon 5 put up I think it’s helped Forza become more popular than GT

my mistake with the God of War numbers they were from what appears to be an outdated wiki but the settlement remains there are plenty of MS games that are as big IP wise as their Sony counterparts.



PotentHerbs said:
jason1637 said:

Forza is probably more popular than Gran Turismo at this point, games like Halo Elder Scrolls, Fallout can stand their own when compared to Marvel IPs and Final Fantasy.

The God of War series has sold over 32m and the Gears of War has sold 27m and that doesn't include Gears Judgement, Gears Collection, and Gears 4/5 sales so suggesting that these games don't generate the same amount of hype is wrong.

I do agree that MS wont drown out Sony in releases, they both have a lot of great games coming up.

I doubt Forza has surpassed Gran Turismo in popularity. Number of players are not the same as actual sales. Otherwise, I could conflate the popularity of Uncharted 4 (37M players) and the Destiny franchise (187M total players) beyond their actual pull. Also, the God of War franchise has sold over 50M units not 32M units, but more importantly the IP is a lot more popular today then it was during the PS2/PS3 era. 

 People who have played the game directly correlates to popularity....

Fortnite, Forza Horizon and Apex Legends no longer popular cos sales bad?!? Sounds like a poorly thought out clickbait article to me.




jason1637 said:

The thing with Forza Horizon 5 is that it wasn’t bundled so all the players and sales were people who actually purchased the game or purchased a subscription to play the game so it’s not the same like Uncharted 4 which was bundled with the PS4 for years. Popularity does I need to include number of players and active players it’s an important metric. Subscription services like gamepass helps a lot and with the numbers Horizon 5 put up I think it’s helped Forza become more popular than GT

my mistake with the God of War numbers they were from what appears to be an outdated wiki but the settlement remains there are plenty of MS games that are as big IP wise as their Sony counterparts.

But how many people paid full price for a GamePass subscription rather than using a $1 conversion? What about people who subbed for a month to try out some games during the holidays and afterwards let their subscription lapse? Or people who tried out FH5 but dropped it within a couple of hours? Those are factors you would need to consider if you want to point out Uncharted 4 has been bundled for years, which personally, I think is a bit hyperbolic. To add, Sony sold around 60M units of first party software in 2020, bundles are not nearly as prevalent as some want to believe when it comes to PlayStation first party game sales.

The point being, while player numbers are a good indicator of a games popularity, an evergreen title like GT7 could end up with 30M - 40M players despite selling only 20M+ units lifetime similar to Uncharted 4. 



PotentHerbs said:
jason1637 said:

The thing with Forza Horizon 5 is that it wasn’t bundled so all the players and sales were people who actually purchased the game or purchased a subscription to play the game so it’s not the same like Uncharted 4 which was bundled with the PS4 for years. Popularity does I need to include number of players and active players it’s an important metric. Subscription services like gamepass helps a lot and with the numbers Horizon 5 put up I think it’s helped Forza become more popular than GT

my mistake with the God of War numbers they were from what appears to be an outdated wiki but the settlement remains there are plenty of MS games that are as big IP wise as their Sony counterparts.

But how many people paid full price for a GamePass subscription rather than using a $1 conversion? What about people who subbed for a month to try out some games during the holidays and afterwards let their subscription lapse? Or people who tried out FH5 but dropped it within a couple of hours? Those are factors you would need to consider if you want to point out Uncharted 4 has been bundled for years, which personally, I think is a bit hyperbolic. To add, Sony sold around 60M units of first party software in 2020, bundles are not nearly as prevalent as some want to believe when it comes to PlayStation first party game sales.

The point being, while player numbers are a good indicator of a games popularity, an evergreen title like GT7 could end up with 30M - 40M players despite selling only 20M+ units lifetime similar to Uncharted 4. 

A lot of the same scenarios you mentioned can be pointed out for retail games, how many games returned the game, how many stopped playing after a few minutes, or how many people stopped playing. These are metrics we don’t have numbers for so it’s useless to speculate and bring it up. We can only speculate on numbers we have like sales, sub numbers, player count, active player and using these metrics it’s not absurd to say that Forza could possibly be more popular than GT these days.

also I’m not saying that Uncharted is unpopular it’s a big IP and sold plenty outside of bundles, just pointing out that a game being bundled for many years will probably have a higher player count than a game in subscription service like gamepass.