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ironmanDX said:

 People who have played the game directly correlates to popularity....

Fortnite, Forza Horizon and Apex Legends no longer popular cos sales bad?!? Sounds like a poorly thought out clickbait article to me.

Sure, but without knowing how many players GT7 has in general, its premature to say FH5 has surpassed it based on overall players. Take Uncharted 4 for example, with its last official update being 16M - 17M units sold in 2017/2018, it has been confirmed to have over 37M players. I wouldn't be surprised if UC4 overall player count is well over 40M now that its on the PS+ Collection. 

Also, Fortnite and Apex Legends are out FH league lol. They shouldn't be in the same sentence when it comes to popularity. 



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PotentHerbs said:
jason1637 said:

The thing with Forza Horizon 5 is that it wasn’t bundled so all the players and sales were people who actually purchased the game or purchased a subscription to play the game so it’s not the same like Uncharted 4 which was bundled with the PS4 for years. Popularity does I need to include number of players and active players it’s an important metric. Subscription services like gamepass helps a lot and with the numbers Horizon 5 put up I think it’s helped Forza become more popular than GT

my mistake with the God of War numbers they were from what appears to be an outdated wiki but the settlement remains there are plenty of MS games that are as big IP wise as their Sony counterparts.

But how many people paid full price for a GamePass subscription rather than using a $1 conversion? What about people who subbed for a month to try out some games during the holidays and afterwards let their subscription lapse? Or people who tried out FH5 but dropped it within a couple of hours? Those are factors you would need to consider if you want to point out Uncharted 4 has been bundled for years, which personally, I think is a bit hyperbolic. To add, Sony sold around 60M units of first party software in 2020, bundles are not nearly as prevalent as some want to believe when it comes to PlayStation first party game sales.

The point being, while player numbers are a good indicator of a games popularity, an evergreen title like GT7 could end up with 30M - 40M players despite selling only 20M+ units lifetime similar to Uncharted 4. 

I have no idea how many subs are $1, but Game Pass numbers keep going up so more and more people are retaining their subs. FH5 had a huge amount of players in the first week who I'm sure are more enthusiast so my guess is at least 10 million of the 25 or so million players have put a solid amount of time into the game. 



PotentHerbs said:

The problem with this line of thinking is that Xbox is still behind the PS5 in lifetime sales including in NA + UK. The snowball effect is still in the PS5's favor even with shortages. If the Series S can't even shift enough units for 100K weekly wins, despite their availability in every market and low price entry, I find it hard to believe it's turning the tide for the generation, with everything working in its favor at the moment. I do expect Xbox to win March NPD though, but if it fails to do that, it would be extremely underwhelming for the brand. 

What people need to realize is that Xbox never lost momentum in NA, even during the early days of the Xbox One, and the likelihood of Xbox winning NA in a landslide similar to the Xbox 360, is as likely as the PS5 outselling the PS2's lifetime in Japan. Xbox winning NA by 5M - 10M units will get cancelled out by whatever the PS5 sells in Japan. The issue is Xbox gaining traction in Europe and RoTW where PlayStation can legitimately outsell it 3:1, 5:1, even 10:1. Regions where Microsoft sells 100K - 200K units over the course of a generation are regions where Sony sells over 1M PS5's in the same time period. Xbox could sell 70M+ units this generation and still be behind 50M in unit sales.

@bolded: I steadfastly disagree with that statement.  If Microsoft decides to make COD, Elder Scrolls and WoW console exclusive to Xbox in 2024 onward, there's a very good chance a victory similar to what 360 had could happen.  Without said occurrence, it may not happen, but it's still possible; whereas the PS5 has zero chance of selling even half of what the PS2 did in Japan.



While it is cool to see Xbox performing competitively again, I think some folks are getting ahead of themselves.

Xbox has the upper hand in the short term, but this doesn't mean the tide is turning long term and Playstation is still going to win this generation.

While their first party arsenal has improved by leaps and bounds, I still expect MS to keep putting most Bestheda and Activision games on PS just cos they'd be leaving too much money on the table by not doing so. We're not gonna see, say, Call of Duty become Xbox exclusive.

Meanwhile, Sony has a very strong first party battery themselves, and greater global brand power. Once they're no longer held back by shortages, the sales gap will start to widen again. It will be closer than last gen, but at the end of the day, PS5 will still outsell Series S/X.

Last edited by curl-6 - on 12 April 2022

Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

jason1637 said:
IcaroRibeiro said:

America (and UK) is the only place where Xbox is truly popular, so they are shipping strongly. 70% of Xbox week sales this week are from USA/Canada

Switch and Playstation are popular worldwide, so their shipments need to be more spread out 

Xbox is also popular in South America and Oceania.

Yes. A lot of people seem to think that Xbox is only US/UK, but that is simply not true.

Fun fact, Xbox has a 60% market share in Mexico. Rest of South America, Xbox is also very strong, especially Brazil.

Source: Industria de Videojuegos en México en 2020 — The CIU

Also, I would say things are also changing. VGCharts's Xbox Series X/S sales in the Rest of the World are also doing very well, and not even that far from the PS5 (2.78 vs 2.09). It'll probably easily beat Xbox One's 5.50 million.



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Wow.... playstation kinda got slaughtered, really weird seeing playstation in third place



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curl-6 said:

While it is cool to see Xbox performing competitively again, I think some folks are getting ahead of themselves.

Xbox has the upper hand in the short term, but this doesn't mean the tide is turning long term and Playstation is still going to win this generation.

While their first party arsenal has improved by leaps and bounds, I still expect MS to keep putting most Bestheda and Activision games on PS just cos they'd be leaving too much money on the table by not doing so. We're not gonna see, say, Call of Duty become Xbox exclusive.

Meanwhile, Sony has a very strong first party battery themselves, and greater global brand power. Once they're no longer held back by shortages, the sales gap will start to widen again. It will be closer than last gen, but at the end of the day, PS5 will still outsell Series S/X.

Yup. It's bleak at the moment due to stock availability and nothing else. Sure, some sales are probably being lost due to that but not a generational sales defining amount. Not to mention the Series S is purposefully built to act as a complimentary device and will not stop people using it simply as a secondary gamepass console... As intended.

PS5 will still be around 20-30 million above XSX primarily due to Europe and Japan.

I disagree with first party titles though, most of them will be exclusive. Starfield is hinting at that but that is a new IP so it's yet to be revealed either way, just betting on different outcomes at this point in time. 



ironmanDX said:
curl-6 said:

While it is cool to see Xbox performing competitively again, I think some folks are getting ahead of themselves.

Xbox has the upper hand in the short term, but this doesn't mean the tide is turning long term and Playstation is still going to win this generation.

While their first party arsenal has improved by leaps and bounds, I still expect MS to keep putting most Bestheda and Activision games on PS just cos they'd be leaving too much money on the table by not doing so. We're not gonna see, say, Call of Duty become Xbox exclusive.

Meanwhile, Sony has a very strong first party battery themselves, and greater global brand power. Once they're no longer held back by shortages, the sales gap will start to widen again. It will be closer than last gen, but at the end of the day, PS5 will still outsell Series S/X.

Yup. It's bleak at the moment due to stock availability and nothing else. Sure, some sales are probably being lost due to that but not a generational sales defining amount. Not to mention the Series S is purposefully built to act as a complimentary device and will not stop people using it simply as a secondary gamepass console... As intended.

PS5 will still be around 20-30 million above XSX primarily due to Europe and Japan.

I disagree with first party titles though, most of them will be exclusive. Starfield is hinting at that but that is a new IP so it's yet to be revealed either way, just betting on different outcomes at this point in time. 

Yeah I don't doubt we will see some exclusives like Starfield, but stuff like COD, Elder Scrolls, most currently multiplat franchises I expect to stay that way as you'd be missing out on millions and millions of potential sales by skipping PS.

Last edited by curl-6 - on 12 April 2022

Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

curl-6 said:
ironmanDX said:

Yup. It's bleak at the moment due to stock availability and nothing else. Sure, some sales are probably being lost due to that but not a generational sales defining amount. Not to mention the Series S is purposefully built to act as a complimentary device and will not stop people using it simply as a secondary gamepass console... As intended.

PS5 will still be around 20-30 million above XSX primarily due to Europe and Japan.

I disagree with first party titles though, most of them will be exclusive. Starfield is hinting at that but that is a new IP so it's yet to be revealed either way, just betting on different outcomes at this point in time. 

Yeah I don't doubt we will see some exclusives like Starfield, but stuff like COD, Elder Scrolls, most traditionally multiplat franchises I expect to stay that way as you'd be missing out on millions and millions of potential sales by skipping PS.

I'm expecting new Bethesda games going forward to only be on Xbox and PC, unless Sony/Nintendo allow Game Pass on their consoles. Yes, this includes Elder Scrolls VI. Bethesda and its other studios originally only released games on PC. Elder Scrolls, Doom, Wolfenstein, and Quake were PC franchises first. Skyrim is the only Elder Scrolls title to launch day one on a PS console.

As far as Activision Blizzard games? I see most of their remaining on PS. But will be on Game Pass day one and marketing will all have the Xbox logo at the end. 



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curl-6 said:
ironmanDX said:

Yup. It's bleak at the moment due to stock availability and nothing else. Sure, some sales are probably being lost due to that but not a generational sales defining amount. Not to mention the Series S is purposefully built to act as a complimentary device and will not stop people using it simply as a secondary gamepass console... As intended.

PS5 will still be around 20-30 million above XSX primarily due to Europe and Japan.

I disagree with first party titles though, most of them will be exclusive. Starfield is hinting at that but that is a new IP so it's yet to be revealed either way, just betting on different outcomes at this point in time. 

Yeah I don't doubt we will see some exclusives like Starfield, but stuff like COD, Elder Scrolls, most traditionally multiplat franchises I expect to stay that way as you'd be missing out on millions and millions of potential sales by skipping PS.

You could also say that about Starfield though. Sure it's a new ip but it's the only new IP Toddy Howard Bethesda has done in 20 years, will have hype to the moon and most Fallout and/or Elder Scrolls players will have at least some interest. It's quite similar to Elden Ring imo, sure new IP but kinda related to the Soulsborn games and will come out of the gates swinging with sales and "active players"

I think CoD will be multiplatform until 2024 or whenever the contract with Sony ends, then they'll just have Warzone/Warzone 2 (lol y? Imagine a fortnight 2) after that.

I'll put 69.69 $vgc on it.