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Will Xbox Series become the best-selling Xbox to date?

Yes 21 30.00%
 
Maybe 25 35.71%
 
No 24 34.29%
 
Total:70

No. Evertything MS seems to be doing tells me that their market share will drop simce theres less and less need to own an Xbox.

What it does have going for it that MS has no control over it is the insane price hike PC got since only a couple of years. I do see a hell of a lot of pc players migrate to consoles this gen and xbox will benefit the most from this.

I would jave said they would not even pads the x1. But after this I see them at least matching it. Still not gona get close to the 360 since outside the US the xbox brand is dead.



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eva01beserk said:

No. Evertything MS seems to be doing tells me that their market share will drop simce theres less and less need to own an Xbox.

What it does have going for it that MS has no control over it is the insane price hike PC got since only a couple of years. I do see a hell of a lot of pc players migrate to consoles this gen and xbox will benefit the most from this.

I would jave said they would not even pads the x1. But after this I see them at least matching it. Still not gona get close to the 360 since outside the US the xbox brand is dead.

The console buying audience and the PC audience are at this point fundamentally separate, I think. “Just build a PC if you want to play MS first party” is not useful advice to someone that’s a traditional console experience, of which there are still tens of millions. And I think more importantly, the performance per dollar gap between a series X and a gaming PC is outlandish right now, and might not ever get better. Legitimately, the PC parts market might be permanently broken. 

I could easily see it being 2024 and the Series X is still vastly outpacing an equivalently spec’d PC in performance per dollar. That, plus a pro refresh, plus aggressive series S price cuts, I think will move a lot of consoles for Microsoft. I think we could actually see a renaissance in the western console market if the PC market remains this bad 



eva01beserk said:

No. Evertything MS seems to be doing tells me that their market share will drop simce theres less and less need to own an Xbox.

What it does have going for it that MS has no control over it is the insane price hike PC got since only a couple of years. I do see a hell of a lot of pc players migrate to consoles this gen and xbox will benefit the most from this.

I would jave said they would not even pads the x1. But after this I see them at least matching it. Still not gona get close to the 360 since outside the US the xbox brand is dead.

The Xbox brand isn't "dead" outside the US. Last sales figures had the XSeries selling 83k in Europe which is just shy of what the Xbox One sold WW during the same timeframe. A console losing market share wouldn't be up across the board in all regions compared to the previous gen. 



aTokenYeti said:

France and Spain, fair enough, but all 3 console makers lifetime sales in India will be a rounding error compared to their global lifetime sales. It’s a completely irrelevant market that I don’t think is an accurate reflection of anything 

That's a bit premature to say. A lot of these markets might be small, but its ripe for growth, especially with someone like Jim Ryan at the helm, who is responsible for the Playstation brand having a stranglehold in Europe.

In India, the PS5 is tracking significantly higher than the PS4 was in one year, its entirely possible whatever the PS5 sells lifetime in India, might eclipse the Series consoles lifetime sales in certain parts of Europe. 

Edit: For example, the Series consoles has sold 58K in Spain for 2021, which is slightly below the PS5's 60K sold in India for 2021. 

Last edited by PotentHerbs - on 17 January 2022

aTokenYeti said:
eva01beserk said:

No. Evertything MS seems to be doing tells me that their market share will drop simce theres less and less need to own an Xbox.

What it does have going for it that MS has no control over it is the insane price hike PC got since only a couple of years. I do see a hell of a lot of pc players migrate to consoles this gen and xbox will benefit the most from this.

I would jave said they would not even pads the x1. But after this I see them at least matching it. Still not gona get close to the 360 since outside the US the xbox brand is dead.

The console buying audience and the PC audience are at this point fundamentally separate, I think. “Just build a PC if you want to play MS first party” is not useful advice to someone that’s a traditional console experience, of which there are still tens of millions. And I think more importantly, the performance per dollar gap between a series X and a gaming PC is outlandish right now, and might not ever get better. Legitimately, the PC parts market might be permanently broken. 

I could easily see it being 2024 and the Series X is still vastly outpacing an equivalently spec’d PC in performance per dollar. That, plus a pro refresh, plus aggressive series S price cuts, I think will move a lot of consoles for Microsoft. I think we could actually see a renaissance in the western console market if the PC market remains this bad 

I agree. I think there are 3 type of pc players right now that where afected by these prices.

1. The ones that think the pc prices will drop ajd just need something to play the latest games untill they drop. They will get an series s simce MS has crosbuy and when ever they upgrade they can take their games with them.

2. The ones who gave up and are planing to main on consoles but could still upgrade if thinga change way later on but is doubfull. Tjose will get a series x or ps5 and probably won't look back since diminishing returns will keep them on on consoles at least for this gen.

3. The high end users. Lets be honest. They dont care. They always spend crazzy amounts and wont stop now. But we also have to admit that this is the smallest section of the pc player base.



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smroadkill15 said:
eva01beserk said:

No. Evertything MS seems to be doing tells me that their market share will drop simce theres less and less need to own an Xbox.

What it does have going for it that MS has no control over it is the insane price hike PC got since only a couple of years. I do see a hell of a lot of pc players migrate to consoles this gen and xbox will benefit the most from this.

I would jave said they would not even pads the x1. But after this I see them at least matching it. Still not gona get close to the 360 since outside the US the xbox brand is dead.

The Xbox brand isn't "dead" outside the US. Last sales figures had the XSeries selling 83k in Europe which is just shy of what the Xbox One sold WW during the same timeframe. A console losing market share wouldn't be up across the board in all regions compared to the previous gen. 

Yes it can. Remember the x1 being up at the begining of the gen? Then droping like a rock every year? 

While I see the xbox holding strong In the US I dont see the same anywhere outside. Once they eat throw their fanbase the numbers will drop. 



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They just acquired Activision Blizzard. That changes everything.



DroidKnight said:

I've been at 88 million in a few other prediction threads and I'll stick with it. Plenty of console exclusives yet to come and several of those will be big hardware movers. They're probably also holding several ace's up their sleeves they have yet to reveal.

88 million is far away and if they stand any chance of reaching it, they will have to avoid all mistakes and missteps made in the past. The current momentum is good, but they need to build on it. Just provide the 1st party games with as little bugs as possible and let the consumer do the rest.

Damn!,  that was quite the "ace".



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I’m changing my vote from a maybe to a yes. Call of duty on gamepass completely changed the game



It'll easily beat the Xone, but i don't think it'll quite match the 85 million of the 360. I could see it ending up around 75 million.

Let's round up it's current sales to 12 million, that's for one year plus the holiday launch season. Let's say it improves from here as the gen heats up and it averages 12 million per year for the next five years, that puts it at 72 million. Throw in another 3 million after it's successor launch and you get 75 million. Works out to the same numbers if you give it six more years before being replaced but average 10 million per year, which is probably more realistic than 12 million/year given that its sales will be lower later in its life.

Last edited by Slownenberg - on 18 January 2022