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I'll take a wild guess and say the Endless in Halo will end up similar to the Vex from Destiny.

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Ryuu96 said:

Halo - Agent Locke | Mega Construx

"Designed as he appears in Halo Infinite, this Agent Locke micro action figure is equipped for battle"

So was Locke meant to be in Infinite but he was cut or maybe he will have his own story expansion? I've also seen people say that with the IWHBYD skull on, Hyperius brags about how he beat Locke but says he kept him alive as an insult to show how weak he was.

I think this is a nice opportunity to do something cool with Locke's character, I'm not really a fan, thought he was bland but he definitely isn't irredeemable in my eyes, something like a prequel expansion where we play as Locke, it starts with him being beaten by Hyperius and left with nothing, not even his own armour, from there he has to work his way back up, it could be a sorta stealth focused expansion which leans into the fact that Locke's skills are more towards being an assassin.

Perfect opportunity to bring assassinations back into the game too, they can arrive alongside Locke's Story DLC.

I think it's more likely that he was cut, than that there's currently an expansion with him in the works.

That said, I'm not opposed to this idea.



Ryuu96 said:

Halo - Agent Locke | Mega Construx

"Designed as he appears in Halo Infinite, this Agent Locke micro action figure is equipped for battle"

So was Locke meant to be in Infinite but he was cut or maybe he will have his own story expansion? I've also seen people say that with the IWHBYD skull on, Hyperius brags about how he beat Locke but says he kept him alive as an insult to show how weak he was.

I think this is a nice opportunity to do something cool with Locke's character, I'm not really a fan, thought he was bland but he definitely isn't irredeemable in my eyes, something like a prequel expansion where we play as Locke, it starts with him being beaten by Hyperius and left with nothing, not even his own armour, from there he has to work his way back up, it could be a sorta stealth focused expansion which leans into the fact that Locke's skills are more towards being an assassin.

Perfect opportunity to bring assassinations back into the game too, they can arrive alongside Locke's Story DLC.

I've been meaning to ask this too. I actually liked Osiris, so it makes me wonder if they will return as a whole group at some point. Remember this Halo is essentially like mobile games: no new games, just expansions one after the other for at least a decade or so. 



AsGryffynn said:
Ryuu96 said:

Halo - Agent Locke | Mega Construx

"Designed as he appears in Halo Infinite, this Agent Locke micro action figure is equipped for battle"

So was Locke meant to be in Infinite but he was cut or maybe he will have his own story expansion? I've also seen people say that with the IWHBYD skull on, Hyperius brags about how he beat Locke but says he kept him alive as an insult to show how weak he was.

I think this is a nice opportunity to do something cool with Locke's character, I'm not really a fan, thought he was bland but he definitely isn't irredeemable in my eyes, something like a prequel expansion where we play as Locke, it starts with him being beaten by Hyperius and left with nothing, not even his own armour, from there he has to work his way back up, it could be a sorta stealth focused expansion which leans into the fact that Locke's skills are more towards being an assassin.

Perfect opportunity to bring assassinations back into the game too, they can arrive alongside Locke's Story DLC.

I've been meaning to ask this too. I actually liked Osiris, so it makes me wonder if they will return as a whole group at some point. Remember this Halo is essentially like mobile games: no new games, just expansions one after the other for at least a decade or so. 

Honestly, Vale was really the only character from that squad I found interesting. Locke SHOULD have been interesting, as an ONI hitman of sorts...but he wasn't. I barely even remember Tanaka, and Buck was just...well, Nathan Fillion, which is amusing, but ultimately the same as everywhere else you'll ever see him.



Considering how we all loved Cortana from 1-4. They really killed her character in 5. Just makes me cringe thinking about 5's story. The alien worlds and weapons were cool but rest. Arrrgg. Watching some of the old memories and even the look they gave her in 5. I was like get me outta here.

Yea am in the camp they should not call the new one Cortana.

P.S. Windows Cortana am not talking about you, am talking about Halo 5 one, kk. Don't turn on me. Peace.



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Yea, I would prefer her not calling herself Cortana. Not only for the reasons Ryu highlighted, but also...after everything The Weapon saw in Infinite...why would she WANT to call herself Cortana? Seeing Cortana devastate Earth, killing all those Spartans, destroying the entire Brute homeworld...The Weapon was horrified by all that, and ultimately asked Chief to delete her, because she was so afraid of becoming that. Then an hour later she wants to take Cortana's name?

That was really bizarre to me.



There's a redemption arc to the story. Extreme destruction and self sacrifice (for the right reasons). Wanting to yet be called Cortana, signifies that beings can change for the better, especially when given second chances.

It's also pointing out not to rush to judgement. Something both the Weapon and Chief have to struggle with and learn to overcome. There's a time and place when immediate decisions and action must take place, but those times are more rare.

If she's going to remain unique instead of showing at least some of the good or harmless traits of original Cortana, then I'd personally rather have a different name as well, but it would be totally understandable if 343 sticks with Cortana.



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Ryuu96 said:
Angelus said:

Yea, I would prefer her not calling herself Cortana. Not only for the reasons Ryu highlighted, but also...after everything The Weapon saw in Infinite...why would she WANT to call herself Cortana? Seeing Cortana devastate Earth, killing all those Spartans, destroying the entire Brute homeworld...The Weapon was horrified by all that, and ultimately asked Chief to delete her, because she was so afraid of becoming that. Then an hour later she wants to take Cortana's name?

That was really bizarre to me.

This too, she was absolutely horrified at Cortana and that she was a clone of her, not to mention, naming herself after Cortana is going to have all sorts of lore complications, even The Pilot was terrified of The Weapon when he first saw her cause she looked like Cortana, now she's also going to take her name? Be a bit like, oh hey Spartan IV, I've named myself after the person who slaughtered your friends with no mercy, Lol.

Nobody in lore should like the fact that she is called Cortana after all Cortana has done, be a bit like naming yourself after a mass murderer because they were a nice person in their college days, Lol.

EricHiggin said:

There's a redemption arc to the story. Extreme destruction and self sacrifice (for the right reasons). Wanting to yet be called Cortana, signifies that beings can change for the better, especially when given second chances.

It's also pointing out not to rush to judgement. Something both the Weapon and Chief have to struggle with and learn to overcome. There's a time and place when immediate decisions and action must take place, but those times are more rare.

If she's going to remain unique instead of showing at least some of the good or harmless traits of original Cortana, then I'd personally rather have a different name as well, but it would be totally understandable if 343 sticks with Cortana.

Personally, I didn't see Cortana's arc as a redemption arc, it was like Darth Vader's arc in many ways and I don't see that as a redemption arc either, at the end of the day, they both did horrific things, Cortana essentially committed genocide, attempted to enslave the entire Galaxy, along with killing a bunch of Spartan IVs and how she (and Vader) will be remembered in the lore is being horrific monsters but in their final moments they did one good thing for someone they loved and gave closure to that person.

In Cortana's case, she didn't even have this moment of clarity until she was locked down by The Weapon, had lost control over her Promethean army and when Atriox was literally right at her doorstep, at that point she had lost, she was arrogant to the very end but realised she had lost, she made a mistake in her plans and she can no longer do what she believed was best for John, The Banished getting control over Zeta Halo ruins all her plans and most importantly to her, puts John in danger, she did one good thing in her final moments but I don't see that as a redemption.

It's kinda like the 360 RROD poster everyone was discussing. Most seem to think the poster is either highly negative, or highly positive.

Highly positive because MS is acknowledging their past faults, now that they've somewhat redeemed themselves with the XB Series ecosystem.

Highly negative because they admittedly caused gamers major headache/heartache, and are now charging them to remind them of that.

Is either completely right or wrong?

Cortana acknowledges she screwed up even if it took locking her down and forcing her to reflect. She realizes what she can do to try and right those wrongs to the degree she has the power to at that point in time. With little time, she even leaves an explanation for Chief and Cortana 2.0 to make sure they learn from her mistakes. Then she does the right thing even though it will cost her own existence, yet she could've just gone down in flames.

Cortana 2.0 realizes this and while she obviously understands the atrocities committed, she also see's that she's not doomed to become a crazy authoritarian psychopath. Cortana 2.0 now understands what not to do from the past, and to make sure she and Chief remain a team, if not as one.

I'm not saying everybody is supposed to think to themselves that Cortana was always great and the redemption automatically erases the horror. It's for people to realize that sometimes, seemingly bad people, can be mistaken, and sometimes they can change for the better.

Infinite is full or real life lessons. Don't automatically shoot first and ask questions later. Don't automatically assume everyone who seems to have turned to "the dark side", actually has completely, and that they can't change for the better. Etc.



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I'm actually quite happy we got pretty much nothing from old/returning characters. In a way, we sort of got the solo Chief game, dealing with the loss of Cortana that Halo 5 always should have been. Throwing trusted characters in for him to mingle with or whatever woulda just taken away from that vibe.



I finished it the other day. Gave the game an 85 / 100. Not as good as Halo 4 or 2, especially on the story front. Wasn't a bad story, just is going in directions I don't want. I like The Weapon as a character, I just wish the original Cortana wasn't dead. After 4 I really wanted Chief and her to be able to ride off into the sunset, but instead the good Cortana died, a part of her lived to become crazy evil, and now we are back with a child-like Cortana who doesn't have that same romantic connection to the Chief. There was a movie I watched years ago where a guy and girl were in love until an accident happened and they split up due to memory loss.

Just researched it, called the Vow. Was so depressing watching most of it, also just read the real life couple that inspired it got divorced after 25 years. So depressing. Anyway, Halo Infinite having a Cortana present that doesn't love the Chief is rubbing salt in the wound of romantics like me and just makes the game depressing. The one dude getting emotional and having melt downs didn't help either.