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DonFerrari on 17 September 2021
Azzanation said:
DonFerrari said:

It likely wouldn't change much, unless you want to cut Switch sales by 70%. Tie ratio is not even close to linear. But I already had this discussion with you on the sales of SW dropping majorly on Xbox so I know it is useless to discuss it.

We had a discussion about SW? Whats SW, Star Wars? Can you link me that discussion we had instead of randomly pulling them out of your hat.

Also if the Switch sold less, i doubt Zelda would still sell 22m units. MK8 sold 8.4m since April on the WiiU, if the WiiU sold as well as the Switch, it would have sold millions more. Not sure why you think it wouldn't. The bigger the audience, the higher the chance of selling your games. This is why the $70 price hike is stupid, because devs claim games are getting too expensive meanwhile they are selling tons more to make up for it, ontop of all the MTs, lootboxes, Season passes, paid online etc.

Sales of software.

Yes more consoles can sell more software, but to pretend there is any linearity on it, as you did on discussions of gear and halo last gen, when comparing with the likes of Uncharted, TLOU and other Sony titles crossing 10 and even 15M sold with things like MS titles were selling less than half because the userbase was half. Same as other people were pretending that MK8 (that had over 50% attach ratio) on WiiU would keep similar attach ratio if WiiU sold as well as PS4 (so it could pass 50M sold).But if you don`t think like that anymore all the better.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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gooch_destroyer on 17 September 2021

I bought this on a whim, but so far so good. I'll probably trade this in once I'm done though.



Dgc1808 on 17 September 2021

Color me pleasantly surprised. I thought this game was doomed, but their is hope. Even with these great reviews, still not seeing much hype from gamers to buy this one right away.

I myself won't be buying for some time. Backlog's still too large, and free time is too scarce.



4 ≈ One

COKTOE on 17 September 2021

Going all in on Deathloop! I love to buy into shit that will be absolutely dead to me in the future. It's why I've been investing into the Miami real estate market as much as possible. Especially the beach-front property! Yeah! Fuck Microsoft. This is bigger than console war hoo-blah. I couldn't imagine casually throwing money at such an awful company. Kiss my balls.



- "If you have the heart of a true winner, you can always get more pissed off than some other asshole."

Chris Hu on 18 September 2021
SKMBlake said:
Chris Hu said:

LOL you obviously have no clue what you are talking about.  Xbox game sales have always been stellar the 360 still hold the record for highest attachment ratio with 11.75 physical games sold per console and the original X Box is number three on that list with 11.01 physical games sold per console.  Since most people buy their games digital now that ratio dropped to 5.34 on the X1 but that is still higher then the PS4 which is at 5.12.  X Box game sales have and will always be blockbuster and on average people that have X Box consoles buy more games then Sony and Nintendo console owners.

You do know the attachment rate is higher when the sales of the console is lower, right ?

For eg: Wii's attachment rate is higher than the DS's attachment rate, despite having +900 million software sold for both consoles. Cause the Wii sold less than the DS.

Well you are wrong again the DS has a higher attachment rate then 3DS even though it sold almost twice as much and was very easy to hack and just pirate games on it.  The DS was way easier to hack then the Wii that is one of the main reasons it sold less software then the Wii.  Plus the 360 sold over 85 million units I wouldn't call that low sales.  The 360 was a lot easier to hack then the PS3 and it still managed to have a higher attachment ratio then it plus I'm pretty sure it sold a lot more digital games also since almost the entire library of games was available digital at one point while on the PS3 a good chunk of its games where never available digital.



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Azzanation on 18 September 2021
DonFerrari said:
Azzanation said:

We had a discussion about SW? Whats SW, Star Wars? Can you link me that discussion we had instead of randomly pulling them out of your hat.

Also if the Switch sold less, i doubt Zelda would still sell 22m units. MK8 sold 8.4m since April on the WiiU, if the WiiU sold as well as the Switch, it would have sold millions more. Not sure why you think it wouldn't. The bigger the audience, the higher the chance of selling your games. This is why the $70 price hike is stupid, because devs claim games are getting too expensive meanwhile they are selling tons more to make up for it, ontop of all the MTs, lootboxes, Season passes, paid online etc.

Sales of software.

Yes more consoles can sell more software, but to pretend there is any linearity on it, as you did on discussions of gear and halo last gen, when comparing with the likes of Uncharted, TLOU and other Sony titles crossing 10 and even 15M sold with things like MS titles were selling less than half because the userbase was half. Same as other people were pretending that MK8 (that had over 50% attach ratio) on WiiU would keep similar attach ratio if WiiU sold as well as PS4 (so it could pass 50M sold).But if you don`t think like that anymore all the better.

I honestly believe that if the WiiU sales were 90m like the Switch, i would say MK8 would have more than doubled its sale. Its a case by case basis, depending on the game, different games have different potential. This is why MS and Sony are hitting up the PC market lately because they want to increase there game sales, not all Xbox and Sony customers buy 1st party games, in fact many don't, in Nintendo's case, majority do.



DonFerrari on 18 September 2021
Azzanation said:
DonFerrari said:

Sales of software.

Yes more consoles can sell more software, but to pretend there is any linearity on it, as you did on discussions of gear and halo last gen, when comparing with the likes of Uncharted, TLOU and other Sony titles crossing 10 and even 15M sold with things like MS titles were selling less than half because the userbase was half. Same as other people were pretending that MK8 (that had over 50% attach ratio) on WiiU would keep similar attach ratio if WiiU sold as well as PS4 (so it could pass 50M sold).But if you don`t think like that anymore all the better.

I honestly believe that if the WiiU sales were 90m like the Switch, i would say MK8 would have more than doubled its sale. Its a case by case basis, depending on the game, different games have different potential. This is why MS and Sony are hitting up the PC market lately because they want to increase there game sales, not all Xbox and Sony customers buy 1st party games, in fact many don't, in Nintendo's case, majority do.

Certainly it would be possible to double sales, we can`t know for sure, as well as it could only sell 20% more, that is because tie ratio of individual SW is nowhere linear. Now when talking about total sw it is more or less stable, you would have something between 10 to 12 game sold per HW (at least before digital became a thing, so with much cheaper digital games that average is likely to change, like PS4 seems to have passed PS2 SW with much less HW sold). The main reason why the tie ratio for individual SW is nowhere near linear is because the more a HW sells the more diverse the userbase is and the more likely for SW sales to spread out.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

AJNShelton on 18 September 2021
Chris Hu said:
SKMBlake said:

You do know the attachment rate is higher when the sales of the console is lower, right ?

For eg: Wii's attachment rate is higher than the DS's attachment rate, despite having +900 million software sold for both consoles. Cause the Wii sold less than the DS.

Well you are wrong again the DS has a higher attachment rate then 3DS even though it sold almost twice as much and was very easy to hack and just pirate games on it.  The DS was way easier to hack then the Wii that is one of the main reasons it sold less software then the Wii.  Plus the 360 sold over 85 million units I wouldn't call that low sales.  The 360 was a lot easier to hack then the PS3 and it still managed to have a higher attachment ratio then it plus I'm pretty sure it sold a lot more digital games also since almost the entire library of games was available digital at one point while on the PS3 a good chunk of its games where never available digital.

Did you really read my answer ? I never spoke about the 3DS. And why are you talking about piracy ?

And can you please stop using "then" instead of "than" ? And using more punctuation, cause your last sentence was waaaaaaaay to long



fauzman on 22 September 2021
Manlytears said:
fauzman said:

I think you are being much too pessimistic here. PS5 gamers will buy it as it is one of the few PS5 exclusives releasing this year, not to mention a great game going by reviews. 

And when it comes to Xbox, xbox gamers will buy it on gamepass as it is made by a MS owned studio. The year delay will reduce sales no doubt (plus any gamers really wanting the game will get it on PC) so sales will not be that great. But Bethesda would have expected that when Sony monehatted this so I am sure they will be fine. 

I hope you are correct! But games made by Arkane usually have a small "niche" (they're definitely not known for making blockbusters), also there's a substantial number of people talking about "wait" and "don't buy on playstation"...

You are overthinking it. That might be the thinking among a small sector of the hardcore gamer community (say the type likely to be on Vgchartz) but most gamers and especially most casual gamers will see this new game with interesting mechanics and will buy it in droves. It helps that Sony don't have any big exclusives launching this holiday. I think the UK charts already show this game as the most popular this week. 



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Manlytears on 22 September 2021
fauzman said:
Manlytears said:

I hope you are correct! But games made by Arkane usually have a small "niche" (they're definitely not known for making blockbusters), also there's a substantial number of people talking about "wait" and "don't buy on playstation"...

You are overthinking it. That might be the thinking among a small sector of the hardcore gamer community (say the type likely to be on Vgchartz) but most gamers and especially most casual gamers will see this new game with interesting mechanics and will buy it in droves. It helps that Sony don't have any big exclusives launching this holiday. I think the UK charts already show this game as the most popular this week. 

Yeah, it's the most popular this weak, but...
https://twitter.com/Chris_Dring/status/1440223747630243844?s=20

lower than Prey... and Prey bombed hard. Not sure if this is a good start.