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What do you think?

OLED overpriced and Switch Pro incoming 5 10.87%
 
OLED overpriced, no Switch Pro coming 14 30.43%
 
OLED fairly priced, Switch Pro incoming 6 13.04%
 
OLED fairly priced, no Switch Pro coming 12 26.09%
 
Can everyone shut up 7 15.22%
 
About Switch Pro 0 0%
 
And please look 0 0%
 
forward to 0 0%
 
Switch 2!!!!! 2 4.35%
 
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JRPGfan said:

Switch OLED $350

Custom Nvidia Tegra X1 SoC
4 core 4 thread ARM A57 CPU @ 1.0 GHz
0.16-0.24 TFLOPs (handheld) / 0.39 TFLOPs (docked) Nvidia Maxwell GPU (256 cores @ 307-768 MHz)
4 GB LPPDDR4 @ 25 GB/s
32/64 GB eMMC, + MicroSD card slot

7" 16x9 OLED 1280x720 @ 60 Hz (SDR)
USB-C, 3.5mm headphone jack, WiFi 5, Bluetooth 4.1
Dock - AC In (power), LAN, USB-A 2.0 x2, HDMI 1.4 Out
Max AV Out - 1080p 60 Hz, PCM 5.1


SteamDeck $400

Custom AMD SoC
4 core 8 thread AMD Zen2 CPU @ 2.4-3.5 GHz
1.02-1.64 TFLOPs AMD RDNA2 GPU (512 cores @ 1.0-1.6 GHz)
16 GB LPDDR5 (88 GB/s)
64 GB eMMC (Gen2x1)+ MicroSD card slot

7" 16x10 LCD 1280x800 @ 60 Hz (SDR)
USB-C, 3.5mm headphone jack, WiFi 5, Bluetooth 5.0
Dock* - USB-C (for power), USB-C (to SteamDeck), LAN, USB-A 3.1, USB-A 2.0 x2, HDMI 2.0 Out
Max AV Out - 2160p 120 Hz, PCM 7.1

50$ plus *

You should wait and see how much they will charge for the Steam Dock.



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Absolutely overpriced. In my opinion, Nintendo is kidding its customers with this price -.-
Nintendo earns an incredible amount and even sells minigames and remasters for full price for months.
they invest little money in most games, as you can see in the last 2-3 years.

Switch Pro will be released at the end of 2023, I think (80%).



archbrix said:
RolStoppable said:

Furukawa has repeatedly stated that the historical 5-6 year cycle isn't smart, that's why Nintendo is looking to give Switch a longer lifecycle than previous consoles, because when the market allows it, why shouldn't Nintendo follow that. So far their actions have backed up these words, be it pricing of the console itself or game announcements which in the past used to wind down from year 5 onwards, but that isn't the case this time around.

Whenever the situation allows it (meaning good hardware momentum), Nintendo times releases to maximize profitability. So your idea that games are supposed to release as soon as they are completed fails to take into account that Nintendo isn't selling only software. Likewise, it's easy to reschedule work on games that are currently in development, so in case there would already be games in development for a Switch successor, their production timeline would get stretched out or put on hold due to higher priority for Switch games in the nearer future.

The reason why selling only 10-15m Switch units in a year would still be fine is because the userbase would still be very active and buy a ton of games. There's much more profit to be made from software than from hardware, hence why rushing out a successor doesn't make sense. Aside from that, Switch's sales momentum is too good to fall to only 10-15m in 2023.

@bolded:  People really need to take note of this.  Super Mario Bros 3 released five years after the NES launched and went on to become the console's biggest selling stand-alone game of all time - by far.  Unlike with the Wii, Nintendo seems to be doing right by the Switch and its potential to keep selling tons of software by not rushing out a successor.  Still plenty of games to be made for the Switch; especially when the console will still be shipping close to 20m units in 2023 with all of the options Nintendo still has left to make sure that happens.

Nothing is stopping a Switch game released in its 5th year becoming its best selling title. There isn't this binary where either Zelda BOTW2 sells 30m or Nintendo Launches Switch 2 in 2023....End-of-life software tends to perform worse but end of Life software which is on 2 platforms have better legs. Both Zelda games to break sales records for the franchise have been cross-gen. Miles Morales has remained in the UK top 10 for most of the year thanks to being cross-gen and launching alongside a new platform. PS4 software like TLOU2/Ghost/FFVII, still had a great year in 2020 despite the launch of a new platform during the Holiday. 

People are forcing a 2023 release vs 2024 into a make or break thing, its simply not. If one year makes sense, the other can't be far off

Last edited by Otter - on 20 July 2021

As far as the profit margins, its very possible that they are increased costs at the initial launch of a new SKU that Nintendo are basing their calculations off.



A 2023 release date for the Switch 2 doesn't seem unreasonable to me. November 2023 would be six years and eight months after the Switch launched which is only somewhat less than a full seven years and that would give the Switch one of the longest life cycles among Nintendo consoles. Holiday 2024 could also happen and I wouldn't be surprised if they waited that long but I wouldn't be surprised by a holiday 2023 release date either.

Last edited by Norion - on 20 July 2021

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Otter said:
archbrix said:

@bolded:  People really need to take note of this.  Super Mario Bros 3 released five years after the NES launched and went on to become the console's biggest selling stand-alone game of all time - by far.  Unlike with the Wii, Nintendo seems to be doing right by the Switch and its potential to keep selling tons of software by not rushing out a successor.  Still plenty of games to be made for the Switch; especially when the console will still be shipping close to 20m units in 2023 with all of the options Nintendo still has left to make sure that happens.

Nothing is stopping a Switch game released in its 5th year becoming its best selling title. There isn't this binary where either Zelda BOTW2 sells 30m or Nintendo Launches Switch 2 in 2023....End-of-life software tends to perform worse but end of Life software which is on 2 platforms have better legs. Both Zelda games to break sales records for the franchise have been cross-gen. Miles Morales has remained in the UK top 10 for most of the year thanks to being cross-gen and launching alongside a new platform. PS4 software like TLOU2/Ghost/FFVII, still had a great year in 2020 despite the launch of a new platform during the Holiday. 

People are forcing a 2023 release vs 2024 into a make or break thing, its simply not. If one year makes sense, the other can't be far off

Being cross gen didn't net Twilight Princess or Breath of the Wild their explosive sales though, being launch games for Nintendo's 2 best selling consoles did.  The reason they weren't Gamecube exclusive or Wii U exclusive were because the system they were designed for was flopping by the time they were ready for release.  If Majora's Mask and Skyward Sword had been held back to release cross gen on N64/Gamecube and Wii/Wii U, it wouldn't have made them suddenly sell 10-20 million copies, and it also wouldn't have suddenly made Gamecube or Wii U successful hardware.



Mandalore76 said:
Otter said:

Nothing is stopping a Switch game released in its 5th year becoming its best selling title. There isn't this binary where either Zelda BOTW2 sells 30m or Nintendo Launches Switch 2 in 2023....End-of-life software tends to perform worse but end of Life software which is on 2 platforms have better legs. Both Zelda games to break sales records for the franchise have been cross-gen. Miles Morales has remained in the UK top 10 for most of the year thanks to being cross-gen and launching alongside a new platform. PS4 software like TLOU2/Ghost/FFVII, still had a great year in 2020 despite the launch of a new platform during the Holiday. 

People are forcing a 2023 release vs 2024 into a make or break thing, its simply not. If one year makes sense, the other can't be far off

Being cross gen didn't get Twilight Princess or Breath of the Wild their explosive sales though, being launch games for Nintendo's 2 best selling consoles did.  The reason they weren't Gamecube exclusive or Wii U exclusive were because the system they were designed for was flopping by the time they were ready for release.  If Majora's Mask and Skyward Sword had been held back to release cross gen on N64/Gamecube and Wii/Wii U, it wouldn't have made them suddenly sell 10-20 million copies, and it also wouldn't have suddenly made Gamecube or Wii U successful hardware.

Exactly! They were able to be launch games because they were cross gen. 

Pretty confident that if Majoras Mask launched on gamecube & N64 in 2001 it would have sold a lot more. Same with Skyward Sword in 2012 on Wii U. The point was that software sales do not make a compelling argument against a 2023 release, because software can continue selling into the next generation as well as on old hardware (Pokemon Ultra Sun and Moon for exampel..... of course could have sold even better if the Switch was BC or had a port). 

Edit: GTA4 is also a great example of evergreens continuing to sell into a new generation. Every week its in the top 10 based on PS4/X1 software sales. Nothings stopping Nintendo's big hitters from doing the same apart from the eventual release of their sequels like MK9 etc

Last edited by Otter - on 20 July 2021

KazumaKiryu said:

Absolutely overpriced. In my opinion, Nintendo is kidding its customers with this price -.-
Nintendo earns an incredible amount and even sells minigames and remasters for full price for months.
they invest little money in most games, as you can see in the last 2-3 years.

Switch Pro will be released at the end of 2023, I think (80%).

2023 would be too late imo, for a Pro.

Basically I doubt there is a pro at all, if Nintendo doesnt launch one this year.
You want to make sure, theres a decent shelf life, for a Pro.... it needs to launch around mid gen or so.
Switch is past that part already.



Otter said:
archbrix said:

@bolded:  People really need to take note of this.  Super Mario Bros 3 released five years after the NES launched and went on to become the console's biggest selling stand-alone game of all time - by far.  Unlike with the Wii, Nintendo seems to be doing right by the Switch and its potential to keep selling tons of software by not rushing out a successor.  Still plenty of games to be made for the Switch; especially when the console will still be shipping close to 20m units in 2023 with all of the options Nintendo still has left to make sure that happens.

Nothing is stopping a Switch game released in its 5th year becoming its best selling title. There isn't this binary where either Zelda BOTW2 sells 30m or Nintendo Launches Switch 2 in 2023....End-of-life software tends to perform worse but end of Life software which is on 2 platforms have better legs. Both Zelda games to break sales records for the franchise have been cross-gen. Miles Morales has remained in the UK top 10 for most of the year thanks to being cross-gen and launching alongside a new platform. PS4 software like TLOU2/Ghost/FFVII, still had a great year in 2020 despite the launch of a new platform during the Holiday. 

People are forcing a 2023 release vs 2024 into a make or break thing, its simply not. If one year makes sense, the other can't be far off

@Mandalore76 already explained why cross-gen Zelda made sense before, but I'll elaborate. 

Say that BOTW2 would be ready by holiday of 2022, but Nintendo decides to sit on the game until holiday of 2023 to coincide with the release of Switch 2.  This is something that would make sense if the Switch were a struggling console.  But just like Super Mario 3 didn't need cross-gen with a premature release of the SNES, BOTW2 would be better served to release in 2022 as intended, making the next entry in the series a full-on Switch 2 project for a 2026 release (for the 40th anniversary).  Nobody is saying that software for Switch will completely dry up once Switch 2 releases, just that it's unnecessary for Switch 2 to release that soon when it's in Nintendo's best interest to maximize profits and software output for the hit system they already have.

Nintendo repeatedly expressing interest in giving the Switch a longer life span coupled with the Switch's sales momentum make a 2023 holiday release for Switch 2 unlikely, despite the fact that it's only a few months prior to March of 2024.  It's certainly not impossible that it could happen, but at this point, I think a March 2025 release for Switch 2 is just as likely as 2023.



RolStoppable said:
Metallox said:

That's a bit sad on one hand, man. No Nintendo console that is at least comparable to a PS4 until 2024-2025? Well, damn. 

I don't see any problem with this.

Very technically there isn't, but it doesn't mean it can't be disappointing. 



My bet with The_Liquid_Laser: I think the Switch won't surpass the PS2 as the best selling system of all time. If it does, I'll play a game of a list that The_Liquid_Laser will provide, I will have to play it for 50 hours or complete it, whatever comes first.