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Ka-pi96 said:

What about those of us that are shocked that it costs full stop? The amount is irrelevant, getting a bill at all for healthcare is a shock to me!

The problem to me is that it's shocking even for people from poor countries like mine which usually don't have any support system whatsoever. American "healthcare" is a complete sham.



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curl-6 said:

Over the last 19 months I've received diagnosis, numerous scans, radiation therapy, complex surgery, and months of post-operative therapy for nerve sheath cancer and it cost me a grand total of $0, it was all covered by Medicare.

I shudder to think what would've happened if I lived in the US. Universal health care should be a human right.

Wow. Which country?



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spynx said:
curl-6 said:

Over the last 19 months I've received diagnosis, numerous scans, radiation therapy, complex surgery, and months of post-operative therapy for nerve sheath cancer and it cost me a grand total of $0, it was all covered by Medicare.

I shudder to think what would've happened if I lived in the US. Universal health care should be a human right.

Wow. Which country?

Australia.



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Never paid for a single doctors visit, medical/physical checkup, vaccine, medication. etc' in my entire 35~ year life.

Universal healthcare is absolutely awesome, Americans are being conned... And it will *never* change while you have people screeching "socialism" left, right and center.



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Ka-pi96 said:

We're talking about being expensive to the consumer though, so it definitely isn't expensive outside the US. Not to mention all of what you said there is often not the case. I'd argue that things that require specialised care, machinery or a lot of doctors/nurses are the minority of cases.

The US cost is also definitely not double. It's orders of magnitude higher than other countries where people pay for healthcare, and effectively infinitely higher than countries with free healthcare. As an Englishman living in Japan I'm shocked at how expensive healthcare is here, yet every American I've ever met here raves about how cheap it is.

Yeah - that's not how the world works.  You may not get a bill at the end of your hospital visit, but the doctors still get paid, etc.  Roughly speaking, healthcare is 10-15% of GDP in most countries.

It's well known that per-capita expenditure, the US spends approximately double what other countries do.  There are lots of reasons why that is true, but mostly it's inefficiency of all the people arguing about who pays for for what when you're dealing with medical insurance.



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Free or affordable healthcare = socialism
Socialism = bad
Ergo...



Chrizum said:

Free or affordable healthcare = socialism
Socialism = bad
Ergo...

This is Capitalism misleading propaganda



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OneTime said:
Ka-pi96 said:

We're talking about being expensive to the consumer though, so it definitely isn't expensive outside the US. Not to mention all of what you said there is often not the case. I'd argue that things that require specialised care, machinery or a lot of doctors/nurses are the minority of cases.

The US cost is also definitely not double. It's orders of magnitude higher than other countries where people pay for healthcare, and effectively infinitely higher than countries with free healthcare. As an Englishman living in Japan I'm shocked at how expensive healthcare is here, yet every American I've ever met here raves about how cheap it is.

Yeah - that's not how the world works.  You may not get a bill at the end of your hospital visit, but the doctors still get paid, etc.  Roughly speaking, healthcare is 10-15% of GDP in most countries.

It's well known that per-capita expenditure, the US spends approximately double what other countries do.  There are lots of reasons why that is true, but mostly it's inefficiency of all the people arguing about who pays for for what when you're dealing with medical insurance.

See bolded. People don't care about the amount of money moving around behind the scenes. What matters is the cost to them.

If I go to the shop to buy a loaf of bread I couldn't care less if 2 different brands spend the same amount of money on wheat, I do however care very much if one is charging me $0.50 for that loaf while the other expects $75.



I'm an American who's very much for single-payer. If privatizing healthcare in America further than it is already increased coverage and lowered cost, I'd be all for it. But it doesn't. So despite what faults it has, I'm for single-payer like the rest of the industrialized world. It may cause more government spending, but it lowers overall healthcare spending.



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Barozi said:

I'm privately insured since I'm a civil servant in Germany, so I'm receiving all the med bills and pay them before I send them to my insurance company and get my refund.
Before the private insurance I wouldn't get any bill at all so I had no clue what treatments really cost.

Some examples:
Tooth Extraction - 46 Euro
Coloscopy and lab analysis of "materials" - 900 Euro
10 min talking to doctor - 20 Euro
Cavity filling - 150 Euro

Not very different from here (Canada). Dental care isn't included here. Last time coast me 278 Euros (CAD 414) for 2 cavities for my youngest son.
Chiropractor visit (also not included) is CAD 1600 a year (1074 Eurs) for weekly visits.
When I got hit by a car, ER treatment, tetanus shot was all free. Bike delivered home by the police. Only cost CAD 45 co-pay for the ambulance ride. Plus they never cared about ID or health card, no paperwork, just my name and address and everything was sorted.

Doctors give out a lot of samples here for medication to keep your costs low (meds not covered) and we also have alternative cheaper meds. It's still expensive though.