sundin13 said:
It is up to conservatives to make sure there is a clear distinction there, not me. |
Well, I think Joe Biden already clearly pointed out the differences in his conservative standpoint to the likes of a far right nutjob like Trump.
sundin13 said:
It is up to conservatives to make sure there is a clear distinction there, not me. |
Well, I think Joe Biden already clearly pointed out the differences in his conservative standpoint to the likes of a far right nutjob like Trump.
| pokoko said: I just want to chime in, not about the topic specifically, but about a narrative I've seen repeated several times that implies conservatives are the only ones criticizing cancel culture and then only for hypocritical reasons. That's not true. I've been not-conservative and liberal-by-default pretty much my entire life. On those political orientation things, I usually get something like "center-left". The last few years, though, I've realized that I absolutely do not want to be associated with the "liberal" label. The viciousness, the unabashed hypocrisy, the hive mind mentality, the swarming need to destroy anyone that does not conform ... Cancel culture gives me fucking chills. Sci-fi dystopia, Harrison Bergeron type chills. I don't want anything to do with it or the people who support it. It's not the only reason I've jettisoned the democratic party but it's certainly one of the biggest. |
There is solid criticism against cancel-culture on the left. My impression of cancel-culture or mob culture or whatever you wanna call it is this: many people are frustrated, that political change is happening at a glacial pace in many cases. So they want to fast-track their ideas by employing a mob. This doesn't actually lead to anything substantial, as each side can use these tactics, it only leads to more polarization and escalation.
Here some clear left people with good considerations about cancelling:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqD14eIX1l0&ab_channel=PeterCoffin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjMPJVmXxV8&ab_channel=ContraPoints
Mnementh said:
You must be american, because my impression is that americans are almost entirely far right wing. |
I’m Welsh and British, so no. Also, I’ve not stated any of my personal views about anything so you’ve no way to determine what my beliefs are.
snyps said:
I wish people would sack up and get used to hearing things they don’t like to hear. The added benefit is people will out themselves and then you know how people truly think. Silencing people is much worse and creates bigger problems. I get it, there are a lot of wackos right now on the far right. I’d rather hear what they have to say than pretend they don’t exist. |
If you followed the last 4 years at all you will see that nothing you said is true.
Letting dangerous people talk leads to dangerous things happening. Dangerous talk leads to idiots believing and that leads to dangerous actions. I mean just look at religion. "Outing" people for their violent thoughts does absolutely nothing, in fact it seems to be amplified by the wrong side. There was a complete moron in the White House spewing dangerous "beliefs" all over the place. Instead of facing consequences he faced none and incited an insurrection. If we let dangerous people talk we will lose. Because they will do whatever they want and we will be observers to our own ruin.
Letting violent morons do whatever they want does not result in peace. Not sure how that is such a hard concept to grasp.
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vivster said:
If you followed the last 4 years at all you will see that nothing you said is true. Letting dangerous people talk leads to dangerous things happening. Dangerous talk leads to idiots believing and that leads to dangerous actions. I mean just look at religion. "Outing" people for their violent thoughts does absolutely nothing, in fact it seems to be amplified by the wrong side. There was a complete moron in the White House spewing dangerous "beliefs" all over the place. Instead of facing consequences he faced none and incited an insurrection. If we let dangerous people talk we will lose. Because they will do whatever they want and we will be observers to our own ruin. Letting violent morons do whatever they want does not result in peace. Not sure how that is such a hard concept to grasp. |
I assume that the "Summer of Love" riots carried out by BLM and Antifa for the second half of 2020 are encapsulated in this statement too, yes?
sales2099 said:
It matters because one side is a religious niche group that would never, ever have gotten their way. Where as left wing “cancel culture” is a very real threat to entertainment properties. The louder, zealous, and more numerous you are the bigger chance you get your way. And IP like Harry Potter has touched so many lives in a positive way that cancelling it would be a great shame. I simply hate cancel culture. Great entertainment that has nothing to do with the leanings of the creator get canned and the fanbase is left in ruins. That isn’t right. |
Liberals and the left are not the same. And look at the difference: The left wing journalists lose their jobs for being anti war or pro human rights in Palestine and Israel plus people even lose their jobs as government employees for not being pro-Israel. The politicians who support these stances are ridiculed, maligned, kept out of he news as much as possible and their positions misconstrued and misrepresented like Bernie Sanders, Ilhan Omar, Jeremy Corbyn, Evo Morales, Lula, AOC, etc. Compare that with multimillionaire right wing actors, writers, business people, etc who still have a massive bullhorn they can talk to and the world will listen like Gina, Rowling, Ben Shapiro, Donald Trump, etc. They are always saying inconsequential nonsense and cry boo hoo and don't understand the first amendment but still say their freedom of speech is violated. They don't realise freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences or that private institutions can choose not to entertain their nonsense. If they were saying some shit of substance, I would be more sympathetic as they would be talking against power. But I've never heard any right wing freedom of speech warrior criticise actual censorship or actual violation of free speech.
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I don't think the move is so much to "solve" anything, as to shield her formed employer from increasingly incendiary public statements. If you put someone out there as the face of your business, I don't think it's crazy to ask them not to make a fool of themselves (and therefor you) on social media.
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| shikamaru317 said: I feel like it should give everybody the chills, the fact that it doesn’t weighs heavily on me. As the list of cancelled celebrities, major and minor, grows longer, I grow more and more concerned. It’s one thing to attempt a boycott of a company that you aren’t happy with; though such boycotts fail 90% of the time, boycotts are a part of capitalism. And it’s one thing to boycott the movies/shows/books/comics/games whatever that have an actor you don’t like or were written/created by somebody you don’t like. It’s another thing entirely to cancel someone so that nobody else can enjoy their work either. I could maybe even see canceling somebody who is legitimately awful, for instance a blatant racist. But most of the list of those who have been cancelled so far didn’t really deserve to be cancelled. Some were cancelled due to the mere accusation of sexual misconduct thanks to the MeToo movement, with no chance to try and prove themselves innocent. Others were cancelled simply for espousing conservative viewpoints. And things only seem to be getting worse as time goes on. It chills me to my core that we have allowed the internet equivalent of a lynch mob to have so much power. With each victory they are further empowered and emboldened. |
I've already made this point, but failed to get much of a response. What exactly do you think happens when someone is "cancelled"? You and others seem to make it out to be this terrible curse where, if enough people say something mean on twitter, you and everything you've ever done gets removed from existence.
In reality, it just doesn't work that way. The cancel culture that the right constantly fear mongers about, doesn't really exist. While I agree that the internet's mob mentality is harmful as any mass abuse can be, it isn't really "cancellation" that we should be concerned about, because it simply hasn't demonstrated itself to be a problem.
Mnementh said:
Wait, treating both groups the same is "logically inconsistent"? And are you really saying, that a small group has less rights than a bigger one? I think we should look at the content of the "opinions", not on the size of the supporter base. If millions support killing jews in germany their "opinion" doesn't had more right ot be voiced, than the ones of the dissenters. It's not how many voice an opinion, but if the opinion in question is a vehicle for hatred, to decide if an opinion should be suppressed. Your statements are very worrying, the way you formulated it. Because this is the support of a fascist dictatorship. The word fascism is actually based on describing a big movement in italian. Remember also that there are a lot of Trump-supporters, are their stances more valid because they are many? |
No, I'm not really saying a small group has less rights than a bigger one, and I have no how you read my post to say that.
Last edited by JWeinCom - on 14 February 2021| StuOhQ said: I don't think the move is so much to "solve" anything, as to shield her formed employer from increasingly incendiary public statements. If you put someone out there as the face of your business, I don't think it's crazy to ask them not to make a fool of themselves (and therefor you) on social media. |
I wholeheartedly agree. The problem is that there are many other Disney employees, including Gina's own co-stars, who make controversial political statements and face no consequences for doing so. If the general rule was that if you are employed by Disney, you're forbidden from making ANY political statements on your social media accounts, that would be one thing. The issue is the hypocrisy in Disney selectively choosing what political statements are acceptable and which ones are not. Ultimately, they are allowed to terminate her for whatever reason they see fit, but their actions are clearly politically motivated and hypocritical. I think that's what most people on the "Pro-Gina" side have an issue with.