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JWeinCom on 13 February 2021
RolStoppable said:
JWeinCom said:

He co produced a movie with Sean Hannity XD

Sean Hannity's biography doesn't point towards a conservative either.

Why do Americans not make a distinction between conservatives and far-right nutjobs?

When Sean Hannity is the number one person on the #1 "conservative" news outlet, I'd say he's a fair representative of what counts for conservative in the US. That's what they call themselves and nobody has really fought them for the title except more extreme people. Might be different in other countries, but that's what American conservative looks like.



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sundin13 on 13 February 2021
shikamaru317 said:

As someone who has followed her on Twitter for quite awhile, I don't think I ever saw her post anything about Election fraud. The majority of her tweets are quotes and memes and such, like these:

Nothing says "free thinking independent" like reposting boomer memes and quotes that someone else said.



sales2099 on 13 February 2021
JWeinCom said:
sales2099 said:

Just curious how bad are her sentiments? I am legitimately not aware of the specifics. If her point of view is that “biology trumps brain” then to be fair that was the commonly held belief on gender for most of recorded human history. Frankly it’s still the most commonly held belief in the world today outside western society. Is it “fucked up” in that she was openly bashing them? Calling for violence against them? Dehumanizing speech? 

I don’t agree with many sentiments on the other spectrum. But I don't advocate for anybody to be silenced. Because I’m an adult that shouldn’t be seriously triggered by other opinions. Unless it’s openly racist, fascist, calling for violence, etc. opinions should be respected on both sides.

On topic, it’s a shame the Mandalorian lost a great character. Gina is a beautiful, strong woman that exemplified on screen what modern women strive to be. Cancel culture is the worst. 

The part of her point of view that I object to is her citing and promoting deeply flawed studies, the upshot of which is that being trans is somehow contagious, and that your kids may catch it from other kids. In essence that trans kids peer pressure others into becoming trans which I think is pretty ridiculous, and also contributes to isolating trans people. Similar to the gay panic that she ironically speaks against.

As for whether it was the common or is the common view is pretty irrelevant. It was the common view for quite a while that black people are inferior to white, at least in the western world, but that doesn't mean it's a view that should be promoted, and if someone is promoting it, we should speak out against it.

There are plenty of badass women who can do their job without spreading dangerous conspiracy theories and other nonsense. The point of hiring Gina Carano instead of one of the many beautiful strong no name actresses out there was that she had name value. When that name value no longer helps you, she serves no purpose. 

Given that the rate of youth coming out as trans is on a factual upswing compared to say 30 years ago, take that as you will. 

Racial superiority is a tough sell and a completely different topic compared to advocating being comfortable with what you born with. That comparison shouldn’t be made and I hope that was just a random example.

This is kinda where we are at in today’s culture war. The right can object to the left but are largely dismissed and nothing changes. The left can object, has the power to cancel, and if anybody disagrees, not only are they wrong, but they are terrible/evil people, and all traces of their impact on the Earth need to be swiftly erased from existence. Tell me....how is that equal? 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

sundin13 on 13 February 2021
shikamaru317 said:
sundin13 said:

Nothing says "free thinking independent" like reposting boomer memes and quotes that someone else said.

I quite enjoy her posts and have liked them all whenever I see them. I assure you I am no boomer, I'm a millennial. 

Cool?



sales2099 on 13 February 2021
RolStoppable said:
shikamaru317 said:

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Gina was everything that modern women should aspire to be; strong, independent, beautiful (inside and out). But the left doesn't really want that imo, they want weak willed sheeple women who will bend the knee and parrot their causes.

Didn't Gina just get fired because she's incapable of thinking for herself and instead parrots idiocy like election fraud?

Another question is why do the so-called conservatives complain about cancel culture when they've supported a president that took cancel culture to a whole nother level by screaming "fake news" at every opportunity, essentially denouncing all facts presented contrary to his own points of view, up to and including a swiping dismissal of science itself?

Speaking purely to your comment on cancel culture, he didn’t cancel anything in regards to pop culture or celebrities. That I know of anyway. Screaming “fake news” didn’t cancel CNN or the New York Times. In fact they thrived under his presidency making various news topics about him every week.

Cancel culture relates to the entertainment industry, in all its mediums and forms. Actors and IP. Movies, TV shows, etc. Things that affect regular people and their fandoms. Anything cancelled by right wing cancel culture has been dwarfed by the other spectrum cancelling things/people’s careers. 



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JWeinCom on 13 February 2021
sales2099 said:
JWeinCom said:

The part of her point of view that I object to is her citing and promoting deeply flawed studies, the upshot of which is that being trans is somehow contagious, and that your kids may catch it from other kids. In essence that trans kids peer pressure others into becoming trans which I think is pretty ridiculous, and also contributes to isolating trans people. Similar to the gay panic that she ironically speaks against.

As for whether it was the common or is the common view is pretty irrelevant. It was the common view for quite a while that black people are inferior to white, at least in the western world, but that doesn't mean it's a view that should be promoted, and if someone is promoting it, we should speak out against it.

There are plenty of badass women who can do their job without spreading dangerous conspiracy theories and other nonsense. The point of hiring Gina Carano instead of one of the many beautiful strong no name actresses out there was that she had name value. When that name value no longer helps you, she serves no purpose. 

Given that the rate of youth coming out as trans is on a factual upswing compared to say 30 years ago, take that as you will. 

Racial superiority is a tough sell and a completely different topic compared to advocating being comfortable with what you born with. That comparison shouldn’t be made and I hope that was just a random example.

This is kinda where we are at in today’s culture war. The right can object to the left but are largely dismissed and nothing changes. The left can object, has the power to cancel, and if anybody disagrees, not only are they wrong, but they are terrible/evil people, and all traces of their impact on the Earth need to be swiftly erased from existence. Tell me....how is that equal? 

No, you don't take that as you will, you provide an explanation backed by evidence. If you wanted to find out why there is an upswing, you would conduct a study. If your study is conducted one websites specifically designed for parents unhappy about their children coming out as trans (which the study did), and didn't actually use trans people as any of your participants (which the study didn't), then you shouldn't be promoting that explanation, especially if it is liable to cause harm. And, Rowling shouldn't be promoting those studies either.

I wasn't comparing them... The point was that something being the common view is irrelevant to whether or not it is accurate or should be accepted.

I'll ignore the lulzy idea that only people on the left vilify people, which is especially ridiculous when you're defending someone for calling people who disagree with her Nazis... It's equal because the right can object, and the left can object too. Each has an equal opportunity and equal rights. 

You yourself said that whether it's 100 people or 1,000,000 they should have the right to voice their opinion. It's equal because everyone has a chance to advocate for their position. If one group is more persuasive or has a more popular position, then that's the way it is. You're entitled to equal opportunity, not equal results. If no one agrees with you then that sucks for you. Get better arguments or present them better.

Seems like your position is it's only ok to voice your opinion as long as you can't actually change anything. 

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JWeinCom on 13 February 2021
sales2099 said:
RolStoppable said:

Didn't Gina just get fired because she's incapable of thinking for herself and instead parrots idiocy like election fraud?

Another question is why do the so-called conservatives complain about cancel culture when they've supported a president that took cancel culture to a whole nother level by screaming "fake news" at every opportunity, essentially denouncing all facts presented contrary to his own points of view, up to and including a swiping dismissal of science itself?

Speaking purely to your comment on cancel culture, he didn’t cancel anything in regards to pop culture or celebrities. That I know of anyway. Screaming “fake news” didn’t cancel CNN or the New York Times. In fact they thrived under his presidency making various news topics about him every week.

Cancel culture relates to the entertainment industry, in all its mediums and forms. Actors and IP. Movies, TV shows, etc. Things that affect regular people and their fandoms. Anything cancelled by right wing cancel culture has been dwarfed by the other spectrum cancelling things/people’s careers. 

He sure tried...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/politics/fact-check-trump-cancel-culture-boycotts-firings/index.html

and probably succeeded in some cases...

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/jan/19/two-fox-news-executives-involved-in-election-night-arizona-call-are-out



thismeintiel on 13 February 2021

Just more hypocrisy from the Left. People praisimg them for firing her from her job for simple differences of opinion, falsely labelling her as a bigot and anti-semite, while ignoring the actual atrocities Disney ignores just to do business with China. They obviously don't care about a real fight for justice. Just a shallow one that makes them feel better while the live their privileged lives. I know I'm done with Disney +, now.

Best part, though, is she is partnering with a Jew, destroying their narrative.



 

JWeinCom on 14 February 2021
shikamaru317 said:
thismeintiel said:

Just more hypocrisy from the Left. People praisimg them for firing her from her job for simple differences of opinion, falsely labelling her as a bigot and anti-semite, while ignoring the actual atrocities Disney ignores just to do business with China. They obviously don't care about a real fight for justice. Just a shallow one that makes them feel better while the live their privileged lives. I know I'm done with Disney +, now.

Best part, though, is she is partnering with a Jew, destroying their narrative.

InB4 somebody calls Ben Shapiro a fake Jew or something xD

But yeah, I cancelled my Disney+ over this too. Disney really pissed me off this week between firing Gina and closing Blue Sky Studios. Those were the final straws for me, I was already barely tolerating their corruption. I thoroughly enjoyed watching Jack Posobiec and others rip Disney a new one on twitter the night they fired her. Some choice highlights:

Ah, the ol' I'm not racist I have a black friend argument.

So... let's just focus on one of these, cause I'm not going to look into all of these things.

35 Disney World employees were arrested for child porn. Which is awful on their part. But I'm not sure why that should make me cancel Disney.  

Disney World has 77,000 employees at the current time. Over the course of apparently 14 years, that means there have been about 2.5 child porn arrests per year. Obviously any number is too much, but it doesn't seem especially likely that Disney is somehow abetting, enabling, or promoting child porn usage among their employees.

For every 1,000 Disney employees, 3 hundredths of one was arrested for child porn. That hardly seems like it would indicate some systemic problem with Disney. Seems more like a case of if you have 77k employees, some of them are going to do awful shit. If you owned a business with 30,000 employees and one of them was arrested for child porn should you be responsible for that?

It also sounds more like some right wing outlet has a bug up their ass about Gina and is trying to #cancel Disney by making an incredibly specious claim that Disney are pedophiles. (Kind of the far right wing's new thing, if you don't like them say they're a pedophile #savethechildren). And then people who complain about vilification and cancel culture without a justification are promoting that without a trace of irony.

So, do you have any evidence to suggest that Disney is somehow encouraging, enabling, or otherwise aiding its employees in their desire for child porn? Is a company responsible when any of their employees does something illegal? Should Donald Duck have been monitoring their browser history? Why should this reflect on Disney?

Edit: And just cause I was curious why Breitbart chose such an arbitrary starting year, There were apparently 14 cases in 2006 to 2009. 

https://www.wftv.com/news/disney-related-child-porn-arrests-since-2006/286668583/


Which means that there have been 19 in the past 11 years... so less than 2 workers per year of a population of about 75,000. Which again, is too much, but if you have 37,500 employees and one of them is arrested for watching child porn, it'd be pretty idiotic to suggest it's your fault as an employer. 

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snyps on 14 February 2021
Hiku said:

1. There's a difference between spreadng dangerous misinformation, and political ideology.

2. Wear your mask.

3. Suggesting that there was wide spread fraud when 0 evidence was presented in court, and when Trump's lawyers never even alledged fraud in court (because it's illegal to lie in court) is what lead to this:

And jews were put in concentration camps and massacred. So that's a stupid comparison to make.

snyps said:

Personally, I don’t care which corrupt Federalist Party is in the White House. Why can’t people believe what the want to believe and say what they want to say? 

First of all, you can. That doesn't mean that I have to accomodate you in my busuiness, or give you a microphone on my platform.

Secondly, some misinformation is dangerous and harmful.
If you tell people that vanilla ice cream tastes like pineapple, no harm.
If you tell people to not wear masks, or that the virus is a hoax, etc, more people will die.

But she didn’t say don’t wear a mask, to my knowledge, nor that the virus is a hoax. If I’m wrong please show me. This is what I don’t get. People attacking someone for stuff they didn’t do. I don’t see any miss information being given. I see someone fired for wanting recognition of the 5 points I listed. 

for point #1 since there’s no evidence of misinformation, it is persecution for political ideology. She stated that people hate the republicans at their very core. The fact she was fired for saying it proves her right.