2nd Gen Atari 2600 was released in 1977. Atari 5200 and Colecovision were released 5 years later (one year before the market crash). The only console in your list released "only" one year later was the Intellvision, and when you notice that the console was 50% more expensive (and 300 bucks in 1978 was REALLY expensive for a gadget), you can understand the result easily.

3rd gen Nes Was released in 2983 (so this 3rds gen console was a competitor of some of the 2nd gen consoles, go wonder why they failed so hard) while the Master System was released in 1985. But ok, let's accept that as a "win" for the weaker console.

4rd: Are you kidding us? In the 90s, we wanted a Neo-Geo. But the price was WAYYYYYYY to high. More than 3 times the price of a Super Nes and let's not even talk about the price of the games. At this point, they are not even in direct competition. For the SupergraphX, the price was also too high, and you had to buy several add-ons too. At this point, you could be explaining why a DS "won" against a PS3/Wii/X360.

5th: PS1 was released in 1994, 2 years before the Nintendo 64. But the consoles are so different (CD vs cartridge) and you don't even take that into account for the "power". What's more powerful, a Formula 1 or a Boeing 747?

6th: at least now the consoles are similar enough for the comparaison to make sense (at least for Xbox and PS2, the Gamecub was still an oddity). Again Microsoft released their console late and their marketting was already a disaster. But the PS2 was also marketted as a DVD reader, while the XBox required an external IR adapter. But ok, let's take it as a win.

7th: at least now we can talk. Yeah the Wii was the least powerful console, the prices were not so different and there wasn't an additionnal "bonus" (like a DVD player).

8th: if you start to bring the iteration launch really late ....

So yeah, if you release your console one year before the next gen AND are in direct competition with this new gen, you won't win the generation. Yeah, if your console is 3 times more expensive, you won't win the generation. Yeah, if your console lacks basic features, you won't win the generation. And we can add the marketting failure from Microsoft, when will they learn that a console is primary sold for, you know, playing games?

Oh, on a general topic note and the launch of the new Xbox is a failure, at least in Japan (nobody wants that console, and please moderators, this is a fact from the charts: 382 consoles  sold in a week is a disaster) and Europe (there isn't much supply issue for the Series S and outsold by the PS4). The console is already behind the PS5 in the US, unlexx they can find some exclusives to make people buy their console, the ratio PS5/Xbox Series will be higher than the PS/XOne=2.33. The current ratio PS5/Xbox Series is already at 1.89 and the PS5 has huge supply issues.

They may be making money, but as a gamer I kinda care more about the actual games, and they haven't been competitive in that department since the 360.

Maybe I remembered the first time and said it again 

Well if you want something more grounded in fact, let’s take into account Bethesda skipped any summer showcase event and has stayed largely quiet for 2020. They are highly likely to spill details of multiple games once the acquisition goes through. That’s gonna be much bigger then any 1 game announcement Sony can surprise us with. Also it’s been 3 years since Forza Horizon made a sequel in a IP that takes 2 years to make one. Just another example that there’s plenty to be announced, arguably more so on team Xbox. 

Ok so PC gamers play Xbox games on PC. Fantastic. Still plenty of demographics that the Series S would appeal to.
Yes, I (narrative wise) and Xbox wins either way with PC expansion. That’s kinda their plan this gen. But god knows plenty of console only gamers are going to buy Series S, whether it be kids or console gamers of other brands buying one as a cheap secondary console. Just a couple examples. 

Pretty sure the end of 2020 The Switch Surpassed the 3DS life time sales.

Let me remind you what this all is about: @brute claimed that weaker consoles never achieved much. I just pointed out that the stronger consoles never won their generation before the PS4 came around.

Now, what you did is cherry-picking at it's finest to come to the conclusion that the weaker consoles didn't win their gen because they don't count for some ludicrous reason. Seriously, was that an attempt at trolling me? Because it very much felt like this to me.

Also, some things to consider:

the Master System is just a slightly upgraded SG-1000 from 1983, which by itself was already more powerful than the NES/Famicom. So even your argument that the Master System launched 2 years after the NES doesn't work anymore.

You come with the argument that a console that is stronger but 2 years newer doesn't count anymore. Then the SNES would need to be removed from the count too, since the Megadrive (I refuse to call it Genesis) released over 2 years before Nintendo's console. But since it won, you let it pass, otherwise your own argument would be invalidated.

Why are N64 and Gamecube out for being somewhat different in where their games come from (not CD or DVD, but Cartridge and MiniDVD)? You're not making sense here, apart from not finding any good argument to invalidate that they were stronger than their Sony counterparts of that generation.

@bolded: Nobody would claim that XS wouldn't fail in Japan, that was known from the start. It managed however to stay on par with the XBO, so there's that at least. But you completely fail to acknowledge here that the PS5 is also failing in Japan, so much so that the Wii U and Vita are both largely outselling it launch-aligned over there.

@italic: PS5 isn't the only console that has severe stock issues; the XS also does. In fact, Microsoft recently asked AMD to get more chips so they can produce more consoles, as they are also crippled by massive demand overload, just like Sony does. So let's see if the ratio still holds true in half a year when the stock issues should all be resolved.

Yeah he didn't say the Series have not stock issues, he said that the Series S hasn't stock issues in Europe

Of course, Europe is a HUGE market for PlayStation, as for Xbox, not so much

100%, the switch is likely to hit around 76.7 Million by the end of 2020, we just got to wait and see

So what. Bethesda will still mot be  bought untill sometime this summer or something. And they already said they will respect all previous contracts so they are not gona pull anything schedule at least for this year.

I would assume in forzas case than a 7th entry of a forza game would not be such a good thing for the one so they held it for the series s and x. Thats very possible to come out this year. Will anybody be shocked that another forza is coming? Nobody will. That thing is like call of duty and FIFA.

I'm sure there will be plenty of people buying series s. As many as x? He'll no. And only untill the end of this year. Then it will become obsolete. Wich again brings back the point, it will not outsell the series x. Before you try to spin it again. I'm not bringing up amything about how well xbox will sell if it will be successful or not, just that between the 2 the x will come out on top.

I know I sometimes think you say something when you are agreeing to something. But can you blame me? I'm like 90% sure you are a MS employee. I just don't have the hacking skills to proove it. And if you ask why I think so its simple. There are many fans out there but they at least compare the competition to own them or whatever. You talk like a pr guy who believes the Xbox its in is own little universe where only what it does affects its success. So as long as it's better than before you think its good enoughf. While regular people see the competition also improving and they are not competing just against their past inmage but against the inmage of the competition that is also improving and they are still far behind. Its not about "its coming, just wait a bit more", its than right now the competition is killing it and looking like they will do even better when MS is barely starting.