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SKMBlake said:
Dallinor said:

Want a bet so?

I say the Series X remains the overall highest selling Xbox Series system for this generation (by a considerable margin - millions of units).

That's not really a bold bet 

Well Phil expects the Series S to sell more.

So my bet is against the head of Xbox.



 

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eva01beserk said:
sales2099 said:

Wii had a sizeable power gap. Switch too. PS2 maybe if just compared to the Xbox. Why would MS advertise the Series S when launch sales appeal to enthusiasts who typically get the high end model? It’s there for the long game. Series S is a big leap from base Xbox One and PS4, the vast majority of the generations user bases. 

Like I said. The Wii was the only one with such a power gap. And you ignored all my other points about Nintendo standing out outside power.

Switch is a hamdheld first so a power gap was expected. Dosent matter as Nintendo consoles sell on the back on their ips. Xbox not so much.

And you are kidding yourself if you think power diference was large between the ps2 and the competition.

And why adevrtise the series s? Because you claim is for casuals. You think casuals do research or are in gaming sites or any of the sort? No. Casuals by their very definition buy whats shown on their faces. If its not marketed they will not see it and will not buy it. 

But again. You ignore why previous consoles who had less power sold better than the competition. Price was only one factor. But they atracted customers not by power but by experiences not available elsewhere. Like games or gimicks like motion controls. The series s has no such thing that makes casuals want to flock to it. Price alone will not make it the next hot thing.

If only MS had a plan to make their consoles attractive this gen. Like what if they went from 5 studios to 23 and got a major publisher like I don’t know...Bethesda? If only they did that :p

Otherwise I agree it makes no sense to advertise the Series S, at this time anyway. Console launches belong to the core gamers, and we want the best console. Fall 2021 and so on from there, I expect a different situation regarding the S. 



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Dallinor said:
SKMBlake said:

That's not really a bold bet 

Well Phil expects the Series S to sell more.

So my bet is against the head of Xbox.

Yeah, Phil also said that 2017, 2018 and 2019 would be the best years for Xbox so far, and that he was even more confident after the PS5 reveal.

So yeah, Phil always says non-sense



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Dallinor said:
SKMBlake said:

That's not really a bold bet 

Well Phil expects the Series S to sell more.

So my bet is against the head of Xbox.

The only factor that may be in your favor is if MS responds to Sony’s discless PS5 and makes a cheaper Series X without a disc drive. That would go a ways to benefit your prediction.

Otherwise I guess I’m banking on Xboxs road map which does expect Series S to sell more by end of gen. Sure, I’ll take that bet. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

SKMBlake said:
Dallinor said:

Well Phil expects the Series S to sell more.

So my bet is against the head of Xbox.

Yeah, Phil also said that 2017, 2018 and 2019 would be the best years for Xbox so far, and that he was even more confident after the PS5 reveal.

So yeah, Phil always says non-sense

They were, each better then the last. Revenue wise too. 

2017 introduced Game Pass, a little service that ended up being the best value in gaming. 15+ million on a 48 million instal base compared to PS Now 2+ million on a 115 million install base should explain enough. 

2018 saw the release of Sea of Thieves, State of Decay 2, and especially Forza Horizon 4. Games that are to this day supported with a more then active community. How many PS games from 2018 got updates in 2020 and how active are those communities? This is rhetorical.

2019 saw Gears 5 and Outer Worlds day 1 on Game Pass. Some great additions to the service as it rapidly grew. Day 1 first party access made the service rapidly grow. Xbox expanding its reach in the PC space. 

Also why dismiss Phil’s claims about being confident about spec superiority? They waited to get the full RDNA chipset, which is hurting them in the short term but should benefit them in the long. All ready seeing reversals like Dirt 5. 

(sorry mods, I do feel this response is warranted due to the low key false assertions)



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sales2099 said:
SKMBlake said:

Yeah, Phil also said that 2017, 2018 and 2019 would be the best years for Xbox so far, and that he was even more confident after the PS5 reveal.

So yeah, Phil always says non-sense

They were, each better then the last. Revenue wise too. 

2017 introduced Game Pass, a little service that ended up being the best value in gaming. 15+ million on a 48 million instal base compared to PS Now 2+ million on a 115 million install base should explain enough. 

2018 saw the release of Sea of Thieves, State of Decay 2, and especially Forza Horizon 4. Games that are to this day supported with a more then active community. How many PS games from 2018 got updates in 2020 and how active are those communities? This is rhetorical.

2019 saw Gears 5 and Outer Worlds day 1 on Game Pass. Some great additions to the service as it rapidly grew. Day 1 first party access made the service rapidly grow. Xbox expanding its reach in the PC space. 

Also why dismiss Phil’s claims about being confident about spec superiority? They waited to get the full RDNA chipset, which is hurting them in the short term but should benefit them in the long. All ready seeing reversals like Dirt 5. 

(sorry mods, I do feel this response is warranted due to the low key false assertions)

I must warn you: it's "than", not then



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SKMBlake said:

eva01beserk said:

But the series is is closer to 8th gen than it is to 9th. 

Not really. The Series S is a mid range 2020 technology while the One X is a high end 2013 technology, the gap is huge.

Is that way some games look better on the one x? Like ofering better textures and hivher resolution while the series s had higher frames? So no they trade blows at best case scenario. And the one x is closer to the x1 than to the series x. 



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sales2099 said:
eva01beserk said:

Like I said. The Wii was the only one with such a power gap. And you ignored all my other points about Nintendo standing out outside power.

Switch is a hamdheld first so a power gap was expected. Dosent matter as Nintendo consoles sell on the back on their ips. Xbox not so much.

And you are kidding yourself if you think power diference was large between the ps2 and the competition.

And why adevrtise the series s? Because you claim is for casuals. You think casuals do research or are in gaming sites or any of the sort? No. Casuals by their very definition buy whats shown on their faces. If its not marketed they will not see it and will not buy it. 

But again. You ignore why previous consoles who had less power sold better than the competition. Price was only one factor. But they atracted customers not by power but by experiences not available elsewhere. Like games or gimicks like motion controls. The series s has no such thing that makes casuals want to flock to it. Price alone will not make it the next hot thing.

If only MS had a plan to make their consoles attractive this gen. Like what if they went from 5 studios to 23 and got a major publisher like I don’t know...Bethesda? If only they did that :p

Otherwise I agree it makes no sense to advertise the Series S, at this time anyway. Console launches belong to the core gamers, and we want the best console. Fall 2021 and so on from there, I expect a different situation regarding the S. 

If only any of thouse studios had resulted in any games at launch or even the first year of the series s and x. And what about Bethesda? They dont own it yet. So after they do own it then they wait for actual games. 2022 the earliest. So still nothing.

And by Holliday 2021 the series s will be oudated. Like I said before, tech insiders are expecting near series s performance in entry level laptop's. Once that happens the series x is dead.

Can't just ignore everything going on on the rest of the competition. They get better and better so MS is not competing with a 2020 launch but  much better and higher quantity games not inly that..but the sales gap will be so huge by the time MS starts that people will be buying Sony and Nintendo just cuz its what friends have. 



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eva01beserk said:
sales2099 said:

If only MS had a plan to make their consoles attractive this gen. Like what if they went from 5 studios to 23 and got a major publisher like I don’t know...Bethesda? If only they did that :p

Otherwise I agree it makes no sense to advertise the Series S, at this time anyway. Console launches belong to the core gamers, and we want the best console. Fall 2021 and so on from there, I expect a different situation regarding the S. 

If only any of thouse studios had resulted in any games at launch or even the first year of the series s and x. And what about Bethesda? They dont own it yet. So after they do own it then they wait for actual games. 2022 the earliest. So still nothing.

And by Holliday 2021 the series s will be oudated. Like I said before, tech insiders are expecting near series s performance in entry level laptop's. Once that happens the series x is dead.

Can't just ignore everything going on on the rest of the competition. They get better and better so MS is not competing with a 2020 launch but  much better and higher quantity games not inly that..but the sales gap will be so huge by the time MS starts that people will be buying Sony and Nintendo just cuz its what friends have. 

As you see, launch scarcity doesn’t require a system seller, though it is nice for gamers. I myself played Gears 5 Hivebusters and Gears Tactics. Beat 5 games from EA Play myself. 

I wouldn’t count out 2021. Plenty room for announced games. So not really much of a wait. Also I never understood the PC/laptop argument you just said. If you are a PC gamer you simply play Xbox on PC. If you are a console gamer you buy a Xbox. Either way if the games are great Xbox getting your time and money one way or another. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

sales2099 said:
eva01beserk said:

If only any of thouse studios had resulted in any games at launch or even the first year of the series s and x. And what about Bethesda? They dont own it yet. So after they do own it then they wait for actual games. 2022 the earliest. So still nothing.

And by Holliday 2021 the series s will be oudated. Like I said before, tech insiders are expecting near series s performance in entry level laptop's. Once that happens the series x is dead.

Can't just ignore everything going on on the rest of the competition. They get better and better so MS is not competing with a 2020 launch but  much better and higher quantity games not inly that..but the sales gap will be so huge by the time MS starts that people will be buying Sony and Nintendo just cuz its what friends have. 

As you see, launch scarcity doesn’t require a system seller, though it is nice for gamers. I myself played Gears 5 Hivebusters and Gears Tactics. Beat 5 games from EA Play myself. 

I wouldn’t count out 2021. Plenty room for announced games. So not really much of a wait. Also I never understood the PC/laptop argument you just said. If you are a PC gamer you simply play Xbox on PC. If you are a console gamer you buy a Xbox. Either way if the games are great Xbox getting your time and money one way or another. 

Launch is also not indicative of real demand. Or dont you remember Wii u and x1? As soon as the holiday craze ends we will see if they dint need exclusives. And considering outside of the US the series s was comonly available I say they where severly in need of some big games.

Pc matters mainly in regards to xbox as they share their library. For Nintendo it dosent matter cuz phones can be double the power of a switch but you can't get their games on said phone so you need a switch. The thing about laptops is that everyone has one and almpst everyone needs one specially after all this lockdowns. If people need a computer and get the bare minimum and that cannalready play games as good as a series s and had the games, what incentive is there to get a series s?frankly you would not, you would go to the next step up amd get a series x. Sadly this is something that will mainly affect xbox. 



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