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sales2099 said:
SKMBlake said:

Yeah, Phil also said that 2017, 2018 and 2019 would be the best years for Xbox so far, and that he was even more confident after the PS5 reveal.

So yeah, Phil always says non-sense

They were, each better then the last. Revenue wise too. 

2017 introduced Game Pass, a little service that ended up being the best value in gaming. 15+ million on a 48 million instal base compared to PS Now 2+ million on a 115 million install base should explain enough. 

2018 saw the release of Sea of Thieves, State of Decay 2, and especially Forza Horizon 4. Games that are to this day supported with a more then active community. How many PS games from 2018 got updates in 2020 and how active are those communities? This is rhetorical.

2019 saw Gears 5 and Outer Worlds day 1 on Game Pass. Some great additions to the service as it rapidly grew. Day 1 first party access made the service rapidly grow. Xbox expanding its reach in the PC space. 

Also why dismiss Phil’s claims about being confident about spec superiority? They waited to get the full RDNA chipset, which is hurting them in the short term but should benefit them in the long. All ready seeing reversals like Dirt 5. 

(sorry mods, I do feel this response is warranted due to the low key false assertions)

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Xbox One Outsells SNES

Microsoft launched the ninth generation consoles, the Xbox Series X|S, in November 2020, however, that doesn't mean their predecessor, the Xbox One, stopped selling altogether. Sales for the Xbox One have slowed considerably this holiday season, but it has reached a new milestone. 

The Xbox One has outsold the lifetime sales of the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (SNES), according to VGChartz estimates for the week ending December 19. The Xbox One has now sold over an estimated 49.21 million units worldwide. This compares to the SNES with sales of 49.10 million units lifetime. 

Breaking down the sales of the Xbox One, it has sold the best in the US with an estimated 29.22 million units sold, followed by Europe with 12.24 million units sold. Breaking down Europe sales even further, it has sold 5.62 million units in the UK, 1.92 million units in Germany, and 1.89 million units in France.

The Xbox One launched in North America, parts of Europe, Australia, and South America in November 2013, and in Japan, China, and other European countries in September 2014. The revision of the console, the Xbox One S, launched in August 2016, while the mid-generation upgraded console, the Xbox One X, launched in November 2017. An All-Digital version of the Xbox One S launched in May 2019. The Xbox One X and Xbox One S All-Digital Edition were discontinued on July 16, 2020. 

The SNES launched in Japan in November 1990, North America in August 1991, and the rest of the world throughout 1992. The SNES was discontinued in Europe in 1998, in North America in 1999, and in Japan in 2003. 

Despite the current low sales of the Xbox One, it should be able to cross the 50 million mark by the time Microsoft stops selling the console. 



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SKMBlake said:

eva01beserk said:

But the series is is closer to 8th gen than it is to 9th. 

Not really. The Series S is a mid range 2020 technology while the One X is a high end 2013 technology, the gap is huge.

Is that way some games look better on the one x? Like ofering better textures and hivher resolution while the series s had higher frames? So no they trade blows at best case scenario. And the one x is closer to the x1 than to the series x. 



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sales2099 said:
eva01beserk said:

Like I said. The Wii was the only one with such a power gap. And you ignored all my other points about Nintendo standing out outside power.

Switch is a hamdheld first so a power gap was expected. Dosent matter as Nintendo consoles sell on the back on their ips. Xbox not so much.

And you are kidding yourself if you think power diference was large between the ps2 and the competition.

And why adevrtise the series s? Because you claim is for casuals. You think casuals do research or are in gaming sites or any of the sort? No. Casuals by their very definition buy whats shown on their faces. If its not marketed they will not see it and will not buy it. 

But again. You ignore why previous consoles who had less power sold better than the competition. Price was only one factor. But they atracted customers not by power but by experiences not available elsewhere. Like games or gimicks like motion controls. The series s has no such thing that makes casuals want to flock to it. Price alone will not make it the next hot thing.

If only MS had a plan to make their consoles attractive this gen. Like what if they went from 5 studios to 23 and got a major publisher like I don’t know...Bethesda? If only they did that :p

Otherwise I agree it makes no sense to advertise the Series S, at this time anyway. Console launches belong to the core gamers, and we want the best console. Fall 2021 and so on from there, I expect a different situation regarding the S. 

If only any of thouse studios had resulted in any games at launch or even the first year of the series s and x. And what about Bethesda? They dont own it yet. So after they do own it then they wait for actual games. 2022 the earliest. So still nothing.

And by Holliday 2021 the series s will be oudated. Like I said before, tech insiders are expecting near series s performance in entry level laptop's. Once that happens the series x is dead.

Can't just ignore everything going on on the rest of the competition. They get better and better so MS is not competing with a 2020 launch but  much better and higher quantity games not inly that..but the sales gap will be so huge by the time MS starts that people will be buying Sony and Nintendo just cuz its what friends have. 



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eva01beserk said:
sales2099 said:

If only MS had a plan to make their consoles attractive this gen. Like what if they went from 5 studios to 23 and got a major publisher like I don’t know...Bethesda? If only they did that :p

Otherwise I agree it makes no sense to advertise the Series S, at this time anyway. Console launches belong to the core gamers, and we want the best console. Fall 2021 and so on from there, I expect a different situation regarding the S. 

If only any of thouse studios had resulted in any games at launch or even the first year of the series s and x. And what about Bethesda? They dont own it yet. So after they do own it then they wait for actual games. 2022 the earliest. So still nothing.

And by Holliday 2021 the series s will be oudated. Like I said before, tech insiders are expecting near series s performance in entry level laptop's. Once that happens the series x is dead.

Can't just ignore everything going on on the rest of the competition. They get better and better so MS is not competing with a 2020 launch but  much better and higher quantity games not inly that..but the sales gap will be so huge by the time MS starts that people will be buying Sony and Nintendo just cuz its what friends have. 

As you see, launch scarcity doesn’t require a system seller, though it is nice for gamers. I myself played Gears 5 Hivebusters and Gears Tactics. Beat 5 games from EA Play myself. 

I wouldn’t count out 2021. Plenty room for announced games. So not really much of a wait. Also I never understood the PC/laptop argument you just said. If you are a PC gamer you simply play Xbox on PC. If you are a console gamer you buy a Xbox. Either way if the games are great Xbox getting your time and money one way or another. 



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sales2099 said:
eva01beserk said:

If only any of thouse studios had resulted in any games at launch or even the first year of the series s and x. And what about Bethesda? They dont own it yet. So after they do own it then they wait for actual games. 2022 the earliest. So still nothing.

And by Holliday 2021 the series s will be oudated. Like I said before, tech insiders are expecting near series s performance in entry level laptop's. Once that happens the series x is dead.

Can't just ignore everything going on on the rest of the competition. They get better and better so MS is not competing with a 2020 launch but  much better and higher quantity games not inly that..but the sales gap will be so huge by the time MS starts that people will be buying Sony and Nintendo just cuz its what friends have. 

As you see, launch scarcity doesn’t require a system seller, though it is nice for gamers. I myself played Gears 5 Hivebusters and Gears Tactics. Beat 5 games from EA Play myself. 

I wouldn’t count out 2021. Plenty room for announced games. So not really much of a wait. Also I never understood the PC/laptop argument you just said. If you are a PC gamer you simply play Xbox on PC. If you are a console gamer you buy a Xbox. Either way if the games are great Xbox getting your time and money one way or another. 

Launch is also not indicative of real demand. Or dont you remember Wii u and x1? As soon as the holiday craze ends we will see if they dint need exclusives. And considering outside of the US the series s was comonly available I say they where severly in need of some big games.

Pc matters mainly in regards to xbox as they share their library. For Nintendo it dosent matter cuz phones can be double the power of a switch but you can't get their games on said phone so you need a switch. The thing about laptops is that everyone has one and almpst everyone needs one specially after all this lockdowns. If people need a computer and get the bare minimum and that cannalready play games as good as a series s and had the games, what incentive is there to get a series s?frankly you would not, you would go to the next step up amd get a series x. Sadly this is something that will mainly affect xbox. 



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eva01beserk said:
sales2099 said:

As you see, launch scarcity doesn’t require a system seller, though it is nice for gamers. I myself played Gears 5 Hivebusters and Gears Tactics. Beat 5 games from EA Play myself. 

I wouldn’t count out 2021. Plenty room for announced games. So not really much of a wait. Also I never understood the PC/laptop argument you just said. If you are a PC gamer you simply play Xbox on PC. If you are a console gamer you buy a Xbox. Either way if the games are great Xbox getting your time and money one way or another. 

Launch is also not indicative of real demand. Or dont you remember Wii u and x1? As soon as the holiday craze ends we will see if they dint need exclusives. And considering outside of the US the series s was comonly available I say they where severly in need of some big games.

Pc matters mainly in regards to xbox as they share their library. For Nintendo it dosent matter cuz phones can be double the power of a switch but you can't get their games on said phone so you need a switch. The thing about laptops is that everyone has one and almpst everyone needs one specially after all this lockdowns. If people need a computer and get the bare minimum and that cannalready play games as good as a series s and had the games, what incentive is there to get a series s?frankly you would not, you would go to the next step up amd get a series x. Sadly this is something that will mainly affect xbox. 

I agree, launch demand settles down and that’s when the 2021 lineup kicks in. I am confident it’s better then many assume. 

Pc and console gamers are not the same. Yes there is an unknown overlap percentage but many are either one or the other. Console casuals also gaming on PC seems silly to me, as does people being fine playing high graphics games on bare minimum settings. There’s a big variety in tastes and demographics. I can see Series S appealing to kids (and parents on a budget) for example. 

Otherwise you pretty much nailed MSs philosophy. If people gonna be gaming on PC and laptops no matter what, better off bringing Xbox to them. 

Last edited by sales2099 - on 03 January 2021

Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

Seems pointless to be disappointed in any console sales right now for Switch or next gen. They're all so supply restricted. Everything they can make is selling in most places.



sales2099 said:
SKMBlake said:

Yeah, Phil also said that 2017, 2018 and 2019 would be the best years for Xbox so far, and that he was even more confident after the PS5 reveal.

So yeah, Phil always says non-sense

They were, each better then the last. Revenue wise too. 

2017 introduced Game Pass, a little service that ended up being the best value in gaming. 15+ million on a 48 million instal base compared to PS Now 2+ million on a 115 million install base should explain enough. 

2018 saw the release of Sea of Thieves, State of Decay 2, and especially Forza Horizon 4. Games that are to this day supported with a more then active community. How many PS games from 2018 got updates in 2020 and how active are those communities? This is rhetorical.

2019 saw Gears 5 and Outer Worlds day 1 on Game Pass. Some great additions to the service as it rapidly grew. Day 1 first party access made the service rapidly grow. Xbox expanding its reach in the PC space. 

Also why dismiss Phil’s claims about being confident about spec superiority? They waited to get the full RDNA chipset, which is hurting them in the short term but should benefit them in the long. All ready seeing reversals like Dirt 5. 

(sorry mods, I do feel this response is warranted due to the low key false assertions)

I wouldn't call any of those years "the best years for Xbox" compared to the peak years of the 360.



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curl-6 said:
sales2099 said:

They were, each better then the last. Revenue wise too. 

I wouldn't call any of those years "the best years for Xbox" compared to the peak years of the 360.

Oh me too. Exclusive wise no but I’ve certainly played as many games this past 2 years as I have back in those days. Engagement is on a record rise and revenue generated by the division, which would make his statement technically true. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles.