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As for bias, if you can't see that DF is obviously biased for MS, that probably says a a lot about your own biases. During the 360/PS3 era it was all positives for 360 in comparisons. Looking at any fine detail on PS3 games to show how they were inferior. When the PS4 was on top we got excuses for the XBO, questioning if resolution was really that important. An ever slight frame or two advantage on the XBO was more important than a increase in resolution from 720p/900p to 1080p. Usually ending each comparison by saying you'll be happy on either console, when before they were saying which console they recommended to get the game on. The 2nd the XBO X came out, it was here to "save the day."

Now we jump to this gen. DF were helping spread the FUD about PS5's variable clock rate, even having a flawed comparison using RDNA1 chips. When MS showed off their poor looking flagship title, Halo Infinite, quickly they had an excuse vid out, claiming most of the problem was a lack of raytracing. When people pointed out many other things, Alex said he was just too tired to go into it all. Keep in mind, this was just after zooming in really close on PS5 footage to show the raytracing reflections were lower quality or were missing objects. And now after we've had a few next-gen comparisons where they seemed pleasantly surprised about PS5 outperforming XSX, in this video they sound more troubled by it. It's almost as if they either realize that they shouldn't be excited by a system punching above its weight or they were told it's something they shouldn't seem excited by.

Just ask yourself, where are any of the videos making excuses for the way any game performs or looks on PlayStation?



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JRPGfan said
Random_Matt said:
The X gets the S version with a bit of sugar applied. What did people think was going to happen?

The Series S is something else.... thats not being fair to the Xbox Series X. It sacifices alot more (the S), in basically every mode.

The thing is, I wouldn't be surprised if Series S does indirectly impact Series X experience in some cases.
Expecting fully equal optimization for 2 Xbox SKUs just seems unwarranted by Xbox marketshare vs PS5.
(smaller marketshare should justify less optimization for just 1 SKU, even before being split into 2 SKU)
MS designed them to "scale" well (1080p/4K) but if S and X have own unique bottleneck for given game,
constaining both by combined sum of BOTH bottlenecks may be needed to get 2 versions on same budget,
even if that means a given version is being constrained for a bottleneck that doesn't actually apply to it.

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thismeintiel said:

As for bias, if you can't see that DF is obviously biased for MS, that probably says a a lot about your own biases. During the 360/PS3 era it was all positives for 360 in comparisons. Looking at any fine detail on PS3 games to show how they were inferior. When the PS4 was on top we got excuses for the XBO, questioning if resolution was really that important. An ever slight frame or two advantage on the XBO was more important than a increase in resolution from 720p/900p to 1080p. Usually ending each comparison by saying you'll be happy on either console, when before they were saying which console they recommended to get the game on. The 2nd the XBO X came out, it was here to "save the day."

Now we jump to this gen. DF were helping spread the FUD about PS5's variable clock rate, even having a flawed comparison using RDNA1 chips. When MS showed off their poor looking flagship title, Halo Infinite, quickly they had an excuse vid out, claiming most of the problem was a lack of raytracing. When people pointed out many other things, Alex said he was just too tired to go into it all. Keep in mind, this was just after zooming in really close on PS5 footage to show the raytracing reflections were lower quality or were missing objects. And now after we've had a few next-gen comparisons where they seemed pleasantly surprised about PS5 outperforming XSX, in this video they sound more troubled by it. It's almost as if they either realize that they shouldn't be excited by a system punching above its weight or they were told it's something they shouldn't seem excited by.

Just ask yourself, where are any of the videos making excuses for the way any game performs or looks on PlayStation?

I think they're pretty fair. Just watched a video a couple days ago where they ripped m$ a new one for a full hour over the Xbox One reveal. I didn't agree with a lot of their points but they seemed legit enough.



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The guys do clarify that XSEX's inferior visual assets in performance mode could be the result of a bug.Also, this game looks really cool, love the vibrant colors and the darkness of the night. If plants moved due to the wind (or I'm not sure if they do), it would look even cooler.



Of course they will downplay everything they can, they are Xbox biased more than slightly I guess, but the differences are so huge that there's no way to hide them.



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All we need to complete this conspiracy theory is Rudy Guliani sweating shit colored hair dye down the side of his face.



JRPGfan said:

Overall..... I'd say this is a toss up, probably slightly favors PS5.

Sounds like more than a toss up based on your summary. Will watch the full video soon.

ClassicGamingWizzz said:

This is becaming concerning, i fucking hate screen tearing and in the ps4 era this was not a problem in any game i played

PS5 will get VRR eventually, hopefully soon.

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These comparisons are turning out much more interesting and less predictable than anticipated. I expected resolution and frame rate advantages for XSX, loading and LOD advantages for PS, and a fair number of traded blows and toss ups - not a somewhat consistent advantage for PS across the board. I'm sure the gap will narrow as the generation matures and perhaps the paper advantage will be realized after all, but this first software iteration is not a good look for MS so far.

Go Cerny.



enigmaxg2 said:

Of course they will downplay everything they can, they are Xbox biased more than slightly I guess, but the differences are so huge that there's no way to hide them.

how dense are you? that tweet proves actually the opposide "We are not bashing the PS5 but the ones that spin reality"

ah i see alt account huh



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enigmaxg2 said:

Of course they will downplay everything they can, they are Xbox biased more than slightly I guess, but the differences are so huge that there's no way to hide them.

If you honestly think that DF is Xbox biased, then you are probably too far lost to be helped at this point.

Digital Foundry regularly sings praises for the technical ability of Sony's 1st party studios, they particularly love Guerilla's Decima engine, praising it's capabilties in both their Horizon Zero Dawn and Death Stranding analysis videos. They praised the performance of multiplats on base PS4 for pretty much the whole generation, and recently have been highly critical of the poor performance of multiplats on base Xbox One (and rightly so, it has fallen to 720p-900p with less than 30 fps on many games the past year or two). Just recently they released a video singing praises about how good PS5's back compat is.

On the other hand, they also praise the technical ability of some of Microsoft's 1st party studios, particularly The Coalition's mastery of the Unreal Engine. They rightly point out the significant performance advantages of Xbox One X over PS4 Pro.

In other words, they are pretty balanced in their coverage, not really biased one way or the other. Rightly calling a console that is more powerful than another console, be it PS4 over Xbox One or Xbox One X over PS4 Pro, does not make them biased. Participating on the discord for a popular Xbox podcast does not make them biased. 

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