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To be completly fair, Ataturk would be rolling in his grave at the state of turkey right now.
after he worked so hard to make turkey a secular country...



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Eagle367 said:
The actual problem is that Macron called Islam "a religion in crisis" and he wanted to "reform" Islam. Who is he to tell all the Muslims what their religion is and that he is capable enough to "reform" out religion. He is an idiot. All Muslims would have backed him if he just talked against the terrorists but no, he chose to attack the religion and blame it, not the terrorists. The only Muslims he made happy are the terrorists who can use his statements for their brainwashing and propaganda. Also the attack in Nice has been confirmed to be done by far right extremists, not Muslim extremists so make a correction to the thread mate.

Who would you consider to be leaders in the Islamic community, and how did they react to the beheading? Legitimately asking.



Immersiveunreality said:
Eagle367 said:
Terrorists sure love when people in the west do their propaganda for them. It's strange the French president and other people believe the terrorists when they say this is what Islam is instead of the billions of people saying the terrorists don't represent Islam.

Yeah he should not have said what he said, ofcourse it does not represent Islam.

Otherwise it is a problem that Islam can be used to radicalize young angry people,some are absolutely great at manipulating others.

Well any identity you have can be used to radicalize you. If you are mentally and physically in a good state, you won't fall for it but if you are in that weaker stage, you can fall for pretty much anything.



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Eagle367 said:
The actual problem is that Macron called Islam "a religion in crisis" and he wanted to "reform" Islam. Who is he to tell all the Muslims what their religion is and that he is capable enough to "reform" out religion. He is an idiot. All Muslims would have backed him if he just talked against the terrorists but no, he chose to attack the religion and blame it, not the terrorists. The only Muslims he made happy are the terrorists who can use his statements for their brainwashing and propaganda. Also the attack in Nice has been confirmed to be done by far right extremists, not Muslim extremists so make a correction to the thread mate.

Oh, how dare he expresses his opinion. For anyone who can be brainwashed because of Macron's statements, well....  of all the reasons why these braindead farts are so susceptible to brainwashing, Macron's statement is the absolute least prominent.

You gotta ask what killed their ability to critically think in the first place, think religious upbringing had to do anything with it? yeah... 

Eagle367 said:
Terrorists sure love when people in the west do their propaganda for them. It's strange the French president and other people believe the terrorists when they say this is what Islam is instead of the billions of people saying the terrorists don't represent Islam.

Again, if those statements can be used on Moderate Muslims to turn them into extremists, then I gotta say, it looks like Islam is a religion in crisis indeed. 



Eagle367 said:
The actual problem is that Macron called Islam "a religion in crisis" and he wanted to "reform" Islam. Who is he to tell all the Muslims what their religion is and that he is capable enough to "reform" out religion. He is an idiot. All Muslims would have backed him if he just talked against the terrorists but no, he chose to attack the religion and blame it, not the terrorists. The only Muslims he made happy are the terrorists who can use his statements for their brainwashing and propaganda. Also the attack in Nice has been confirmed to be done by far right extremists, not Muslim extremists so make a correction to the thread mate.

Well that changes things a bit.

Based solely on the things quoted in the OP, he never said anything wrong at all. And the people claiming it's attack on freedom of religion are either lying out of their asses or don't know what words mean.

If he's talking negatively about Islam as a whole though, I can get why people would be angry about that.

Although religion really should change. It needs to be less important and take a back seat for many many people. Believe whatever you want, but leave other people to live their life how they want, even if it's now how you believe you should live your life. And that's true of every religion, not just Islam.



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JWeinCom said:
Eagle367 said:
The actual problem is that Macron called Islam "a religion in crisis" and he wanted to "reform" Islam. Who is he to tell all the Muslims what their religion is and that he is capable enough to "reform" out religion. He is an idiot. All Muslims would have backed him if he just talked against the terrorists but no, he chose to attack the religion and blame it, not the terrorists. The only Muslims he made happy are the terrorists who can use his statements for their brainwashing and propaganda. Also the attack in Nice has been confirmed to be done by far right extremists, not Muslim extremists so make a correction to the thread mate.

Who would you consider to be leaders in the Islamic community, and how did they react to the beheading? Legitimately asking.

Islam doesn't have a central organized thing like the papacy. It's very decentralized so there are more so local leaders than global leaders of the entire Muslim community ( not islamic community). But a lot of scholars have condemned these sorts of acts hundreds upon thousands of times. Any legitimate scholar of Islam condemns these acts.



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Eagle367 said:
Immersiveunreality said:

Yeah he should not have said what he said, ofcourse it does not represent Islam.

Otherwise it is a problem that Islam can be used to radicalize young angry people,some are absolutely great at manipulating others.

Well any identity you have can be used to radicalize you. If you are mentally and physically in a good state, you won't fall for it but if you are in that weaker stage, you can fall for pretty much anything.

A lot of young boys are in a weaker mental state, growing up and hormones do that.

Religion can be misused to radicalize, it is important to recognize that and not see it as an attack on how you practice religion.

At this point i just feel sorry for the teacher.



LurkerJ said:
Eagle367 said:
The actual problem is that Macron called Islam "a religion in crisis" and he wanted to "reform" Islam. Who is he to tell all the Muslims what their religion is and that he is capable enough to "reform" out religion. He is an idiot. All Muslims would have backed him if he just talked against the terrorists but no, he chose to attack the religion and blame it, not the terrorists. The only Muslims he made happy are the terrorists who can use his statements for their brainwashing and propaganda. Also the attack in Nice has been confirmed to be done by far right extremists, not Muslim extremists so make a correction to the thread mate.

Oh, how dare he expresses his opinion. For anyone who can be brainwashed because of Macron's statements, well....  of all the reasons why these braindead farts are so susceptible to brainwashing, Macron's statement is the absolute least prominent.

You gotta ask what killed their ability to critically think in the first place, think religious upbringing had to do anything with it? yeah... 

Eagle367 said:
Terrorists sure love when people in the west do their propaganda for them. It's strange the French president and other people believe the terrorists when they say this is what Islam is instead of the billions of people saying the terrorists don't represent Islam.

Again, if those statements can be used on Moderate Muslims to turn them into extremists, then I gotta say, it looks like Islam is a religion in crisis indeed. 

Careful your hate and bias is showing. And the point is when the youth are mentally, financially, socially and physically in a bad place, they can be swayed by anything. Most Muslims, and by most I mean 99.99%, will not do these things. They aren't moderate Muslims, they are just Muslims. And most Muslims aren't affected. But statements like Macron's help the terrorists with those fragile ones. It's strange that you people agree with the terrorists and most Muslims don't side with that narrative. So you are literally telling 99.999% of Muslims what their religion should be and you and are alienating the sorts of Muslims you people would ideally want. Or do you have a problem with Muslims who don't think Islam is bloodshed and violence? It's so counterproductive in every sense. 



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Immersiveunreality said:
Eagle367 said:

Well any identity you have can be used to radicalize you. If you are mentally and physically in a good state, you won't fall for it but if you are in that weaker stage, you can fall for pretty much anything.

A lot of young boys are in a weaker mental state, growing up and hormones do that.

Religion can be misused to radicalize, it is important to recognize that and not see it as an attack on how you practice religion.

At this point i just feel sorry for the teacher.

If Macron said what you said, I don't think anyone would have any problems with Macron. But Macron spewed some nonsense about the religion he doesn't understand and reforming the religion he doesn't follow. Also you can use ethnicity, nationalism, even economic theory like Capitalism and communism to get the same effect as misrepresenting religion. 



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TheBraveGallade said:
To be completly fair, Ataturk would be rolling in his grave at the state of turkey right now.
after he worked so hard to make turkey a secular country...

Ataturk is a complete jackass who did stupid stuff like force the Azaan to be in English. He also didn't help the Turkish people all that much. Erdogan was a genuinely good leader in the beginning but now he's gone insane.



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