You keep calling Muslim countries barbaric when the real barbarism is the US starting a war in Iraq that killed a million plus Muslims. You also forget US, Saudi and Pakistan had a hand in creating the Al Qaeda and making them more even open to suicide which is against Islam. You also forget that the most affected people from the scummy terrorists are Muslims. For every attack in France, there are a few dozen to even hundreds in countries like Pakistan. And as I said even with vast overexxageration, only 20% does not a consensus make. Plus I told you to learn because usually knowledge is the best recipe for meaningless hate.

But I am sick and tired of my religion being used by scum for their own goals and also being attacked and used and mischaracterized by bad faith actors in the west while our community suffers the most from these scum acts. Like the west invades us and terrorists also kill us and then our religion is attacked as well. We are the followers of Islam and we know what our religion is, not terrorists or the west. It is not a religion in crisis and we can talk about it ourselves. We don't need white saviours. We define our religion and we are the ones that keep saying terrorists are not right about Islam but you all choose to believe the 0.005% who are scum instead of the 99.995%

I'm curious in what context that image of Mohammed was used, and was in a town/city where cultures live seperated from eachother?

If its the one by charlie hedbo,....  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo

its a cartoon titled : "Mahomet débordé par les intégristes" ("Muhammad overwhelmed by fundamentalists")

it shows a man (who you can assume to be muhammad) saying in a text bubble : "C'est dur d'être aimé par des cons" ("it's hard being loved by jerks").

Basically saying extreme muslims are going against the teachings of muhammed.
Its ment to be harmless and humorous.

It was a small local paper, that only sold like 100,000 copies.
The only reason it made the news (tv/media), was because people didnt expect, anyone to have the balls to do it.
(basically people fear extreme muslims so much, they dont even dare make harmless jokes)

This is the reason there was terrorist attacks, and buildings were bombed, mail bombs were sent, countless death threats ect.
People died because a artist, made use of his freedom of speach in this manner.
And because apparently, alot of muslims have a bad sense of humor (in this reguard) (or dont value freedoms, like freedom of speach).

While it is true that it is a very small number of muslims that commit terrorism (though they are vastly overrepresented in this statistic as well), is terrorism or violence the only way extremism can manifest itself?
A survey in the UK, showed that 52 % of muslims in the country believed homosexuality should be illegal, only 18 % believed it should be legal. That's just unacceptable in my opinion, and clearly shows that islam needs to reform:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law

I stand with Macron 100 % on this. Freedom of speech should not be up for discussion in Europe. Meeting a provocative drawing is healthy. If there is any value and strength in your religious views, they should not move you to anger if they get made fun of or get provoced. That's a humiliating, if you think your religion is so weak, that you need violence to protect it.
Islam should absolutely get criticized, as any religion should. And Macron does the right thing in attacking Islam, but not attacking muslims, many of which are good people.

It is nice to see the criticism of Islam moving away from the far rights, Le Pen, AfD, etc, who don't come from a place of good faith, but from hatred.

A great example why you shouldn't give religions any kind of respect in the first place. They will just feel legitimized and demand recognition and protection.

And, that's still a no true scotsman fallacy. Anything that people derive from Islam that you don't agree with is not "real" Islam. Anyone who studies it and comes to an extremist interpretation is not a "true" scholar". 

I have not read much of the Quran, but am fairly familiar with the Torah and New Testament. And, depending on which parts you want to cherrypick you can justify kindness and respect, or violence and extremism. I would imagine Islam is similar. And when the book is placed on a pedestal where it is beyond question, that allows both interpretations to thrive. 

There are a lot of Islamic nations that are not developing that still have poor human rights records, particularly in regards to religious freedom. Saudi Arabia, and UAE for example. Iran and Qatar would be really pushing the boundaries of what you can call a developing nation. They're not really comparable to the kind of failed states in Africa. And the kind of extremism that actually goes on inside those failed states doesn't tend, as of yet, to escape them. This is likely due to to the nature of religion. The idea of a Christendom has been out of favor for centuries, but the idea of a Caliphate is alive and well. 

If religious extremism is the problem, then the best solution is to allow for robust and unrestricted criticism of religion. The less people are exposed to competing ideas, the more likely they are to become extreme.

You are assuming a lot of things and you think that people need to learn to agree with you is simply wrong.

- You are using "hate" a lot. I do not think I said anything about hating Muslims, Islam or even religions in general. No, I do not hate Islam or Muslims.
Thinking that something needs to change is different from hating...

- You keep saying that I should learn to basically change my opinion. So you start off with the assumption that because I disagree with you, I need to learn which is why we have a different opinion. No, I do not need to learn, I completely disagree with you on several topics and I already explained myself. And while I am in the center of this like you are (Muslim community), I am (like all France) impacted by it. Don't pretend you are the victim here (or at least the only one).

- If you believe the US is barbaric too fine. But again, the discussion is not about that right now. And you call what the US did "real" barbarism, that's on you. Cause while I also disagree with several of the US moves and stands (and agree that what they did is bad). I find what is going in the majority of Muslim countries WAY more barbaric based on my personal conviction and believes; also again, just because probably the number of attacks in Pakistan and other countries are way worse (and more often than in France) does not make it less important. And this is the point of the discussion today, I'm not going to ignore it cause it is actually worse somewhere else. It does not make it right in the first place, sorry.

No, I do not need to learn, I already did that. And I am honestly very sorry about the impact of terrorism on your religion and your community; it is very unfair too. I have friends that are Muslims and they are in the same boat and they are the nicest people I know. But they also believe that something needs to change. 

I am done with this stupid thread. It's just exhausting screaming at walls. I tell people to increase their knowledge so they are better informed about the religion they love to attack and their response is no, their level of ignorance about the religion is ok. If you can't increase your knowledge about the things you criticize, then it's a misinformed opinion and shouldn't hold any water or value. Learning is how you make an informed decision and not one based on what other people say, and one based on prejudice and one based on misinformation. السلام وعلیکم everyone, I'm out

Religion is for the weak minded and the weak minded shouldn't have any freedom but to move around in their singular cells.