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I think the best is...

Original series 8 11.94%
 
The Next Generation 34 50.75%
 
Deep Space Nine 8 11.94%
 
Voyager 11 16.42%
 
Enterprise 3 4.48%
 
Discovery 2 2.99%
 
Picard 1 1.49%
 
Total:67
curl-6 on 18 November 2020
Dante9 said:
We've come to the point where the latest shows have nothing to do with Star Trek but their names. They are just platforms to spew SJW politics, and the showrunners even say as much. Maybe some day we'll get actual Star Trek again, but I'm not holding my breath.

Star Trek has always been about social justice.

The original show had Black, Asian, and Russian bridge officers and the first inter-racial kiss on television back in the 1960s.

Deep Space Nine had a Black captain with a female first officer, Voyager had a female captain with a native American first officer.

Minority representation and progressive politics have been an integral part of the franchise's DNA for over half a century.



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Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 18 November 2020

Why does Netflix only have HD versions of TNG and Enterprise? Both DS9 and Voyager look potato quality and are effectively unwatchable for me because of how low the resolution is. Luckily I did watch DS9 a while ago.

I did finish watching Enterprise recently. Really picks up mid-way through season 2. Almost feel sad it didn't get the full 7 seasons.



                  

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curl-6 on 19 November 2020
Captain_Yuri said:

Why does Netflix only have HD versions of TNG and Enterprise? Both DS9 and Voyager look potato quality and are effectively unwatchable for me because of how low the resolution is. Luckily I did watch DS9 a while ago.

I did finish watching Enterprise recently. Really picks up mid-way through season 2. Almost feel sad it didn't get the full 7 seasons.

I rewatched Voyager on Netflix last year and I honestly didn't even notice, quality seemed fine to me. Then again, I still happily watch movies on DVD, so I'm not a stickler for high resolutions.

Maybe it's an issue of source material; if the footage was shot on standard definition video there might not be a whole lot they can do to increase its quality.



mutantsushi on 20 November 2020
Captain_Yuri said:

Why does Netflix only have HD versions of TNG and Enterprise?

I can't speak to Voyager, but Netflix doesn't have HD version of DS9 because there is no HD version of DS9.
Both it and Voyager released at a time when NTSC/PAL was as good as it got for broadcast video.
TNG fanbase is large enough to justify remastering it at HD, but that never happened for DS9.

Notably, all of DS9's live scenes were shot in 35mm, which is more than enough for full 4K quality if rescanned.
(live shots include a good amount of model ships, although later in series there is transition to more CGI usage there)
The official problem is that no original files for CGI were kept, only the 480i NTSC (+PAL?) tapes at low resolution.
Although AFAIK most of CGI is for stuff like Odo "morphing" where IMHO lack of high resolution wouldn't be noticeable.

Somebody actually made demo videos using "AI" programs to upscale NTSC to 4K, that showed good results. (@Youtube)
Although if original 35mm could be rescanned, the job of such program would be much easier (only CGI/compositing).
Regardless of specifics, I think it is mostly a matter of cost of remaster not seen as "worth it" for size of DS9 fan base,
although I believe that rationale was originally based on idea that all CGI would have to be fully redone from scratch,
as well as re-compositing everything from new 4K scans of 35m film, whereas as using "AI upscaling" either on the
NTSC tapes directly, or combined with new 4K scans of 35mm film (for higher quality with less need for AI upscaling),
would be substantially easier and less costly, so who knows it MAY someday be done if there is audience for DS9.

EDIT: side-by-side unofficial 4K upscale comparison https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtP4Hv665Yg

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SvennoJ on 20 November 2020
curl-6 said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Why does Netflix only have HD versions of TNG and Enterprise? Both DS9 and Voyager look potato quality and are effectively unwatchable for me because of how low the resolution is. Luckily I did watch DS9 a while ago.

I did finish watching Enterprise recently. Really picks up mid-way through season 2. Almost feel sad it didn't get the full 7 seasons.

I rewatched Voyager on Netflix last year and I honestly didn't even notice, quality seemed fine to me. Then again, I still happily watch movies on DVD, so I'm not a stickler for high resolutions.

Maybe it's an issue of source material; if the footage was shot on standard definition video there might not be a whole lot they can do to increase its quality.

I usually watch it with my eyes closed lol. That engine hum noise is the perfect sound to fall asleep with. (To get woken up by the end credits orchestra)

ST original series is kinda jarring in HD. It looks much more fake and the CGI in between scenes don't match the rest. The set design was never meant to be shown in that much detail.



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Agente42 on 20 November 2020

TNG , Classic one ( the good movies) and the rest ( hate Enterprise and DS9).

After seven episodes, Discovery seems ok. And the last villain is very good. 



Owndxb3 on 20 November 2020

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curl-6 on 20 November 2020
shikamaru317 said:
curl-6 said:
Dante9 said:
We've come to the point where the latest shows have nothing to do with Star Trek but their names. They are just platforms to spew SJW politics, and the showrunners even say as much. Maybe some day we'll get actual Star Trek again, but I'm not holding my breath.

Star Trek has always been about social justice.

The original show had Black, Asian, and Russian bridge officers and the first inter-racial kiss on television back in the 1960s.

Deep Space Nine had a Black captain with a female first officer, Voyager had a female captain with a native American first officer.

Minority representation and progressive politics have been an integral part of the franchise's DNA for over half a century.

While it is true that Star Trek has always been progressive; the socialist Utopia of the United Federation of Planets, the long history of minority representation, the first onscreen interracial kiss in TOS, the first on-screen female-female kiss in DS9; from what I've seen these latest shows from CBS have taken things to all new extremes. I'm told the Social Justice agenda of Discovery in particular doesn't feel natural at all, but rather quite ham-fisted and in-your-face. Compare Discovery's social justice agenda to The Orville's, most classic Star Trek fans enjoy The Orville and are ok with the whole male-male Bortus-Klyden relationship and the subtle trans rights message of Moclan society in general. On the other hand most classic Star Trek fans seem to hate the social justice agenda of Discovery from what I've seen. 

I know personally, as a right wing Star Trek fan, I never really found any of the social justice agenda in TOS through ENT offensive, with only a handful of exceptions like the episode of ENT where Phlox decided not to help save an entire species from extinction because there was an oppressed minority species on the same planet whose evolutionary course was being held back by the dominant species (known to be the most controversial ENT episode, the producers, writers, and Phlox actor received many angry letters and saw many angry forum posts from fans about that episode). However, some of the clips I've seen of Discovery and it's agenda are just pure cringe to me. 

While Discovery can definitley be a little cringey at times, for me that comes from jokes that don't quite land or attempts to be quirky, I didn't find it any more politically overt than previous series of Star Trek.

And yeah that episode of Enterprise didn't sit right with me either, letting a whole sentient species die while a cure is on hand. Came across as very morally questionable.



curl-6 on 13 January 2021

Well, just finished Season 3 of Discovery, and it was a mixed bag. (SPOILERS)

Spoiler!
Jumping 900 years in the future gave them a lot of leeway to no longer be bound by established canon and they did take advantage of this to extent, and year 3200 technology was cool with stuff like programmable matter and ships with holographic hulls, but the ultimate explanation for "The Burn" felt very contrived and pseudoscientific even by Trek standards, and the finale was a bit of a fizzle.

I give it a 6/10 overall.



Jumpin on 19 January 2021
JRPGfan said:

WHY are Star Trek Enterprise (prequel with Scott Bakula) and Star Trek Voyager not winning these polls?

Imo their the best star trek series.
However I do think Star Trek - The next generation was also pretty decent (loved Patrick Stewart as capt Jean-Luc Picard), and its currently winning so thats fine too.

Enterprise > Voyager > Next Generation.

I watched a few episodes of Enterprise, before I jump into Picard, and it surprised me at how much I liked the style of the show. It had the darker grit of the original series, and IMO that's more my style.



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