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curl-6 on 20 November 2020
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shikamaru317 said:
curl-6 said:
Dante9 said:
We've come to the point where the latest shows have nothing to do with Star Trek but their names. They are just platforms to spew SJW politics, and the showrunners even say as much. Maybe some day we'll get actual Star Trek again, but I'm not holding my breath.

Star Trek has always been about social justice.

The original show had Black, Asian, and Russian bridge officers and the first inter-racial kiss on television back in the 1960s.

Deep Space Nine had a Black captain with a female first officer, Voyager had a female captain with a native American first officer.

Minority representation and progressive politics have been an integral part of the franchise's DNA for over half a century.

While it is true that Star Trek has always been progressive; the socialist Utopia of the United Federation of Planets, the long history of minority representation, the first onscreen interracial kiss in TOS, the first on-screen female-female kiss in DS9; from what I've seen these latest shows from CBS have taken things to all new extremes. I'm told the Social Justice agenda of Discovery in particular doesn't feel natural at all, but rather quite ham-fisted and in-your-face. Compare Discovery's social justice agenda to The Orville's, most classic Star Trek fans enjoy The Orville and are ok with the whole male-male Bortus-Klyden relationship and the subtle trans rights message of Moclan society in general. On the other hand most classic Star Trek fans seem to hate the social justice agenda of Discovery from what I've seen. 

I know personally, as a right wing Star Trek fan, I never really found any of the social justice agenda in TOS through ENT offensive, with only a handful of exceptions like the episode of ENT where Phlox decided not to help save an entire species from extinction because there was an oppressed minority species on the same planet whose evolutionary course was being held back by the dominant species (known to be the most controversial ENT episode, the producers, writers, and Phlox actor received many angry letters and saw many angry forum posts from fans about that episode). However, some of the clips I've seen of Discovery and it's agenda are just pure cringe to me. 

While Discovery can definitley be a little cringey at times, for me that comes from jokes that don't quite land or attempts to be quirky, I didn't find it any more politically overt than previous series of Star Trek.

And yeah that episode of Enterprise didn't sit right with me either, letting a whole sentient species die while a cure is on hand. Came across as very morally questionable.