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I think the best is...

Original series 8 12.50%
 
The Next Generation 32 50.00%
 
Deep Space Nine 8 12.50%
 
Voyager 10 15.63%
 
Enterprise 3 4.69%
 
Discovery 2 3.13%
 
Picard 1 1.56%
 
Total:64
JRPGfan said:

WHY are Star Trek Enterprise (prequel with Scott Bakula) and Star Trek Voyager not winning these polls?

Imo their the best star trek series.
However I do think Star Trek - The next generation was also pretty decent (loved Patrick Stewart as capt Jean-Luc Picard), and its currently winning so thats fine too.

Enterprise > Voyager > Next Generation.

I watched a few episodes of Enterprise, before I jump into Picard, and it surprised me at how much I liked the style of the show. It had the darker grit of the original series, and IMO that's more my style.



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curl-6 said:
shikamaru317 said:

While it is true that Star Trek has always been progressive; the socialist Utopia of the United Federation of Planets, the long history of minority representation, the first onscreen interracial kiss in TOS, the first on-screen female-female kiss in DS9; from what I've seen these latest shows from CBS have taken things to all new extremes. I'm told the Social Justice agenda of Discovery in particular doesn't feel natural at all, but rather quite ham-fisted and in-your-face. Compare Discovery's social justice agenda to The Orville's, most classic Star Trek fans enjoy The Orville and are ok with the whole male-male Bortus-Klyden relationship and the subtle trans rights message of Moclan society in general. On the other hand most classic Star Trek fans seem to hate the social justice agenda of Discovery from what I've seen. 

I know personally, as a right wing Star Trek fan, I never really found any of the social justice agenda in TOS through ENT offensive, with only a handful of exceptions like the episode of ENT where Phlox decided not to help save an entire species from extinction because there was an oppressed minority species on the same planet whose evolutionary course was being held back by the dominant species (known to be the most controversial ENT episode, the producers, writers, and Phlox actor received many angry letters and saw many angry forum posts from fans about that episode). However, some of the clips I've seen of Discovery and it's agenda are just pure cringe to me. 

While Discovery can definitley be a little cringey at times, for me that comes from jokes that don't quite land or attempts to be quirky, I didn't find it any more politically overt than previous series of Star Trek.

And yeah that episode of Enterprise didn't sit right with me either, letting a whole sentient species die while a cure is on hand. Came across as very morally questionable.

I am not even sure why this is up for debate. The original Star Trek is easily the most socially progressive TV show in history. The guy above is upset that the newer shows take things to new extremes, while the original show took things to old extremes. That's a fairly consistent use of the license, that means the recent ones are operating within the spirit of Star Trek. He thinks the new stuff is unnatural while the older Star Trek is natural, this is simply because society has advanced. Similarly, much of what feels unnatural to conservatives today is going to be natural to conservatives 50 years from now.



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Jumpin said:
curl-6 said:

While Discovery can definitley be a little cringey at times, for me that comes from jokes that don't quite land or attempts to be quirky, I didn't find it any more politically overt than previous series of Star Trek.

And yeah that episode of Enterprise didn't sit right with me either, letting a whole sentient species die while a cure is on hand. Came across as very morally questionable.

I am not even sure why this is up for debate. The original Star Trek is easily the most socially progressive TV show in history. The guy above is upset that the newer shows take things to new extremes, while the original show took things to old extremes. That's a fairly consistent use of the license, that means the recent ones are operating within the spirit of Star Trek. He thinks the new stuff is unnatural while the older Star Trek is natural, this is simply because society has advanced. Similarly, much of what feels unnatural to conservatives today is going to be natural to conservatives 50 years from now.

That's an interesting point; an interracial kiss as seen in the original series was probably seen as very offputting to many viewers in the 1960s, just as much as any of the "political/woke" content in Discovery. Plus DS9 had a black captain and a female first officer in the early 90s, Voyager had a female captain and a native American first officer in the mid to late 90s, etc.

Star Trek has always been "woke".

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Another thing I'll add about Star Trek being too left leaning today is that the older Star Treks leaned far more into Marxism than the current iterations.



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To show how over-sensitive people were in the early days of Star Trek, read this ridiculous controversy:

https://intl.startrek.com/article/creating-star-treks-first-alien-mr-spock

"As the series began production, the use of Spock’s pointed ears was cause of great controversy between the Star Trek production team and the television network. “In 1965, the NBC Sales Department was concerned,” recalled Herb Solow, Desilu executive in charge of Star Trek at the time. “It was as if they believed that, after Satan had been cast out the the Garden of Eden, he was reincarnated as actor Leonard Nimoy and cast into Star Trek as science officer Spock, a pointed eared, arched eyebrowed ‘satanic’ Vulcan alien.” NBC feared its advertisers and local stations would be targets of a religious backlash protesting this “devil incarnate.”

“It took several weeks for us to learn the extent to which NBC Sales had gone to disguise Spock’s ‘satanic’ pointed ears,” says Solow.

NBC had sent a very attractive Star Trek sales brochure to its station affiliates and advertisers. Close scrutiny showed, however, that an artist working for the NBC Sales Department had airbrushed Spock’s pointy ears round in all the photographs.

In order to placate the network, which was strongly advocating the use of regular ears and eyebrows on the Spock character — a move that would have seriously undermined the concept that an alien was serving onboard the Enterprise — the Star Trek production team decided to “tell NBC what they wanted to hear” in agreeing to greatly reduce Spock’s visibility in the show for the first thirteen weeks while actually proceeding without limitations on the use of the Vulcan first officer.

Also, RIP Christopher Plummer (who played General Chang in Star Trek 6: The Undiscovered Country, probably the only villain to rival Khan)



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STD and Discard are both shit. The current running show that is the best Star Trek is Orville. Fact.



Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

Leynos said:

STD and Discard are both shit. The current running show that is the best Star Trek is Orville. Fact.



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Leynos said:

STD and Discard are both shit. The current running show that is the best Star Trek is Orville. Fact.

Agreed 100%. Just look at the user reviews for all 3 shows on Rotten Tomatoes:

  • STD: 42%
  • Picard: 56%
  • The Orville: 94%

Similar gap on Metacritic User reviews:

  • STD: 3.7/10
  • Picard: 4.1/10
  • The Orville: 8.7/10

CBS is clearly ignoring what TNG-ENT era Star Trek fans want and focusing on a totally different, mostly younger demographic who liked the 2009 reboot, and it shows, most of the TNG-ENT era Star Trek fans don't like STD and Picard very much at all. Just about every TNG-ENT era Star Trek fan I know loves The Orville though (especially the 2nd season where they toned down the comedy and made it more serious and Trek like), and there are good reasons for that, Seth MacFarlane is a big fan of TNG-ENT era Trek, they have some of the writers and producers from TNG-ENT era Star Trek, they have cameo appearances from many of the TNG-ENT era Trek actors as well as other popular actors from the same time period like Ted Danson, they have episodes directed by Trek actors who have since become directors like Robert Duncan McNeil and Jonathan Frakes.

Discovery by comparison is ran by Alex Kurtzman, who alongside Roberto Orci is responsible for the 2009 Star Trek reboot that many classic Trek fans hate. Bryan Fuller, one of the top Voyager producers and writers, was originally supposed to be in charge of Discovery, but they kicked him off the show because he supposedly wanted to cater to the classic fans instead of the new Trek demographic. 

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I hear a lot of good things about The Orville and I'd like to check it out, but it's not available on the streaming services I'm subscribed to and I'm not paying extra for it on Youtube TV or signing up to a third service. I really hate the stream service wars.



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curl-6 said:

I hear a lot of good things about The Orville and I'd like to check it out, but it's not available on the streaming services I'm subscribed to and I'm not paying extra for it on Youtube TV or signing up to a third service. I really hate the stream service wars.

Yeah, I think it's on SBS Viceland and their streaming app in Australia. Here in the US the first 2 seasons aired on Fox with Hulu as the sole streaming provider, while season 3 is going completely Hulu exclusive, no more Fox release. Since Hulu doesn't have enough shows that interest me to sub permanently, I will just wait until all episodes are released and sub to Hulu for a single month to rewatch the first 2 seasons and watch season 3.