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Wasn't Crash trilogy originally released on PS4 at 30fps? That alone made SM3D all-stars a better collection game. After all Gameplay>Graphics.



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DonFerrari said:
Just goes to show practices that are criticized to death on other companies are fully embraced when Nintendo does it.

This move was critized to death (see here for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2OUVNO3ToY ) and these moves are usually critized, *because* they are working. So you construct a strawmen of double standards, that does not exist in reality.



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Conina said:

Meanwhile on emulators:


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The only way I could justify doing an emulator, and even then I probably wouldn't on matter of principle, is if I already purchased the games before. I did own 64 and Galaxy, but never purchased Sunshine, so I can not emulate without essentially getting for free what someone spent time and money to make. So either I buy their version of the remasters or don't play it at all. 



DonFerrari said:
javi741 said:

Nintendo games to many people are so much better and iconic that people are willing to spend 60$ on them. While the Crash Trilogy definitely had more effort put into it, I think most people could agree even the base versions of Mario 64, Mario Sunshine, and Mario Galaxy are better games.

Which basically just agrees with my point.

And have been many times like that in VGC. Nintendo fanbase have been the most critical of several practices other companies done but praised like crazy when Nintendo done the same. Like locking DLC on Amibos, that was something worse than any other company ever done, still was defended and praised here.

You do the typical thing: you treat some people in the fanbase as the whole fanbase. That is the same on other fanbases, other games got critized by some and were highly anticipated by others. The mother of all shady shit, the yearly FIFA and NBA2K-games with Microtransactions and Gold version and whatnot *on top* of a full priced games regularly sell multiple millions. So yes, I am not surprised that Nintendo will sell a lot of this package, even if they employ shady tactics with this limited time shit. Because every fanbase let's the companies get away with this shady shit. Nintendo is not special in this regard.



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So, as this thread turned into a fight about how good this compilation is, I give my impression. And it can be summarized as the good, the bad, the ugly.

The good: Whatever people say, three classic games remastered in HD, on a modern device, with updated control schemes, with slightly updated graphics (widescreen in two of them and a few texture upgrades) is a lot of value. That is why the Final Fantasy remasters all sold a lot too. That is why a lot of remasters sell at least decent (depending on how iconic the basic game was in the first place). Nobody who buys this collection is scammed or a Nintendrone or something. It is fine to like the collection. Which doesn't mean the bad stuff should be ignored.

The bad: Well, while the improvements are fine and dandy, it is easy to see how more could've been done. For starters: why is Galaxy 2 missing? The missing widescreen on Mario64 has probably technical issues (games back then there seriously fitted to the hardware). But clearly more work could've been done to improve textures. This is just enough work to not be shitty, but not much more. This is disappointing.

The ugly: And here we are at the point, that Nintendo does embrace all the shady shit that other gaming companies do as well. This limited availability is maybe OK for the physical version - they produce an amount and stop printing more because it is an anniversary thing. But stopping the sales on their digital shop is just outright a shitty practice. There is no way around that, this is outright AA-industry bullshit.

Jim Sterling as usual explains this very well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2OUVNO3ToY

And as usual all this shitty industry bullshit isn't stopping people buying this. As they buy their FIFA and NBA2K each year, as they buy the games with all the microtransactions, full editions, season passes, lootboxes and whatever stuff else. This all hadn't people held back to buy these games filled with shady practices. So nobody should be surprised in the least, that Nintendo gets away with this shit, as every other companies does as well.



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kirby007 said:
DonFerrari said:

Nope didn't say gameplay. I said the ports had barely been improved.

Crash was very popular and considered good, but sure rewrite story if you want.

Nope they aren't visually impressive. But more power to you if you are satisfied with it.

why do you represent only the technical aspect of visually?

Can you point to any technical aspect that was majorly upgraded on this game?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Mnementh said:
DonFerrari said:
Just goes to show practices that are criticized to death on other companies are fully embraced when Nintendo does it.

This move was critized to death (see here for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2OUVNO3ToY ) and these moves are usually critized, *because* they are working. So you construct a strawmen of double standards, that does not exist in reality.

Then you go to outside of VGC where wasn't the point.

Mnementh said:
DonFerrari said:

Which basically just agrees with my point.

And have been many times like that in VGC. Nintendo fanbase have been the most critical of several practices other companies done but praised like crazy when Nintendo done the same. Like locking DLC on Amibos, that was something worse than any other company ever done, still was defended and praised here.

You do the typical thing: you treat some people in the fanbase as the whole fanbase. That is the same on other fanbases, other games got critized by some and were highly anticipated by others. The mother of all shady shit, the yearly FIFA and NBA2K-games with Microtransactions and Gold version and whatnot *on top* of a full priced games regularly sell multiple millions. So yes, I am not surprised that Nintendo will sell a lot of this package, even if they employ shady tactics with this limited time shit. Because every fanbase let's the companies get away with this shady shit. Nintendo is not special in this regard.

I have talked about the fanbase on here, you can look this thread, the other thread about this collection and even your good, bad and ugly and you'll see it.

You can try to detract as much as you want with "turning a part of the fanbase as the whole fanbase" that doesn't really change a thing about the truth that yes Nintendo get away with much more than other companies. Please show me the same level of defense for the yearly titles, mtx, dlc, etc of other companies compared to Nintendo.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Nice! I wish 3D All-Stars wasn't a limited time only kind of thing, though.



DonFerrari said:
Mnementh said:

This move was critized to death (see here for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2OUVNO3ToY ) and these moves are usually critized, *because* they are working. So you construct a strawmen of double standards, that does not exist in reality.

Then you go to outside of VGC where wasn't the point.

Mnementh said:

You do the typical thing: you treat some people in the fanbase as the whole fanbase. That is the same on other fanbases, other games got critized by some and were highly anticipated by others. The mother of all shady shit, the yearly FIFA and NBA2K-games with Microtransactions and Gold version and whatnot *on top* of a full priced games regularly sell multiple millions. So yes, I am not surprised that Nintendo will sell a lot of this package, even if they employ shady tactics with this limited time shit. Because every fanbase let's the companies get away with this shady shit. Nintendo is not special in this regard.

I have talked about the fanbase on here, you can look this thread, the other thread about this collection and even your good, bad and ugly and you'll see it.

You can try to detract as much as you want with "turning a part of the fanbase as the whole fanbase" that doesn't really change a thing about the truth that yes Nintendo get away with much more than other companies. Please show me the same level of defense for the yearly titles, mtx, dlc, etc of other companies compared to Nintendo.

You point to some posts in this thread and speak about the Nintendo-fanbase on this site, although the fanbase on this site include me and I am critical of this move. Again: applying actions of single persons to a whole group is a bad practice, as a group is made of individuals, who all think and act differently. If you want to criticize posts of certain people, then directly name then and criticize their posts, not applying their actions to the whole Nintendo-fanbase on this site.

So please stop criticizing the whole fanbase, call out the people and posts that are going wrong. But often enough claims of hypocrisis are actually conflating criticism of user A against company X with praise of user B for company Y, by claiming both users are the same (the magic whatever fanbase) and therefore what user A does is also what user B thinks. So in this example: find the users that praise this collection and criticized similar collections of other companies and call them out.

And yes, other companies get away with shit on this site plenty.

Last edited by Mnementh - on 05 September 2020

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10 years greatest game event!

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Mnementh said:
DonFerrari said:

Then you go to outside of VGC where wasn't the point.

I have talked about the fanbase on here, you can look this thread, the other thread about this collection and even your good, bad and ugly and you'll see it.

You can try to detract as much as you want with "turning a part of the fanbase as the whole fanbase" that doesn't really change a thing about the truth that yes Nintendo get away with much more than other companies. Please show me the same level of defense for the yearly titles, mtx, dlc, etc of other companies compared to Nintendo.

You point to some posts in this thread and speak about the Nintendo-fanbase on this site, although the fanbase on this site include me and I am critical of this move. Again: applying actions of single persons to a whole group is a bad practice, as a group is made of individuals, who all think and act differently. If you want to criticize posts of certain people, then directly name then and criticize their posts, not applying their actions to the whole Nintendo-fanbase on this site.

So please stop criticizing the whole fanbase, call out the people and posts that are going wrong. But often enough claims of hypocrisis are actually conflating criticism of user A against company X with praise of user B for company Y, by claiming both users are the same (the magic whatever fanbase) and therefore what user A does is also what user B thinks. So in this example: find the users that praise this collection and criticized similar collections of other companies and call them out.

And yes, other companies get away with shit on this site plenty.

Snore fest... stop pretending that when anyone talks about a fanbase that must mean every single member of the fanbase.

I have criticized and discussed their posts directly as well.

And was multiple people, and read my posts and you'll see it pointed. Like in the thread about the announcement asking if people would buy it was like 2/3 of the pool on buying, so yes when a majority portrays it as ok them it is ok to consider that as "generalization".



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."