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Wich will have the biggest launch window (2 months)?

Switch (March-May 2017) 12 21.82%
 
Xbox Series (November-Dec... 2 3.64%
 
Playstation 5 (No release date yet, 2020) 41 74.55%
 
Total:55

It's a bit early to predict since we don't know the price for each Sony/MS console and the definitive launch software line-up. Due to the pandemic and two models of each manufacturer I'd expect a bigger opening than Switch.



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Bigger in terms of money spent? Sure.

Bigger in terms of actual units pushed? That's tough.



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NS had a great first week, but suddenly dropped due to supply constraints, PS5 and XSX could beat its first two months if they'll have larger initial supplies. Beating its first week will be much harder.



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Between the supply constraints and a non-holiday launch, I say switch is 2nd. I don't believe in the Xbox Series X having a fantastic launch, and certainly not beating 3.2 million. Plus PS5 has Spiderman and a holiday launch, in addition to faithfulness from the PS5 community I highly doubt it will sell less than 3.2 million was it?



ArchangelMadzz said:
Bigger in terms of actual units pushed? That's tough.

You think is tough for Sony shipping less than 4 million PS5 this year?



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Ryng said:
ArchangelMadzz said:
Bigger in terms of actual units pushed? That's tough.

You think is tough for Sony shipping less than 4 million PS5 this year?

Considering its going to be out for like 8 weeks I don't know about supply constraints. PS4 sold 4.2 million from launch to end of year. 

They're making less PS5's for launch last I heard and its going to definitely cost more. So we'll see. 



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DonFerrari said:
RolStoppable said:

Eh, Switch sells better than the PS4 in general. It did so in year 1, year 2, year 3 and will do so again in the current year 4, so assigning the year 1 win to a non-holiday launch is a bit reaching.

If a non-holiday launch would be inherently beneficial, then both Sony and Microsoft would have targeted that with their upcoming consoles, but there has never been any word (be it official or rumored) that a non-holiday launch was ever in consideration by either one of them.

Yes launch aligned Switch have sold more than PS4, but not in any way similar to the difference of switch launch window+holidays versus PS4 launch + first march and april. And again if there was more inventory PS4 and Switch would have sold more on launch, showing that for launch it being on holiday doesn't necessarily improve sales that much.

It is beneficial to launch as early as possible, if holiday would be so much better then why didn't Nintendo wait for Holiday in 2017 to launch? Sony had released outside of holiday in the past. And you can bet that if Nintendo could have launched on Holiday 2016 they would have, but that is because they would like to launch earlier than later.

UnderwaterFunktown said:
Like you said yourself even the Xbone despite the controversy that haunted it at the time sold more than the Switch in its first two months, so its very hard to imagine a scenario where both of the new consoles don't do the same.

If you want specific predictions I'll say:
PS5 - 5,6 mil (assuming it launches in Japan right away unlike the PS4)
Series X - 3,7 mil

If inventory is there both can possibly outsell it.

Because the Wii U was discontinued in January 2017.  Nintendo wasn't going to go 10 months without a home console in the retail space.  Nintendo was getting such bad press at the time, "Nintendo should go 3rd Party", that they had to launch a new console ASAP.  And that's what they did.



ArchangelMadzz said:
Ryng said:

You think is tough for Sony shipping less than 4 million PS5 this year?

Considering its going to be out for like 8 weeks I don't know about supply constraints. PS4 sold 4.2 million from launch to end of year. 

They're making less PS5's for launch last I heard and its going to definitely cost more. So we'll see. 

Latest rumor have that Sony upped orders from 5M to 10M for holidays (could be until March 2021 though).

Mandalore76 said:
DonFerrari said:

Yes launch aligned Switch have sold more than PS4, but not in any way similar to the difference of switch launch window+holidays versus PS4 launch + first march and april. And again if there was more inventory PS4 and Switch would have sold more on launch, showing that for launch it being on holiday doesn't necessarily improve sales that much.

It is beneficial to launch as early as possible, if holiday would be so much better then why didn't Nintendo wait for Holiday in 2017 to launch? Sony had released outside of holiday in the past. And you can bet that if Nintendo could have launched on Holiday 2016 they would have, but that is because they would like to launch earlier than later.

If inventory is there both can possibly outsell it.

Because the Wii U was discontinued in January 2017.  Nintendo wasn't going to go 10 months without a home console in the retail space.  Nintendo was getting such bad press at the time, "Nintendo should go 3rd Party", that they had to launch a new console ASAP.  And that's what they did.

If they really thought that Switch would do so much better if they waited for holiday them they wouldn't discontinue WiiU in January. They launching in March paid off.



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DonFerrari said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

Considering its going to be out for like 8 weeks I don't know about supply constraints. PS4 sold 4.2 million from launch to end of year. 

They're making less PS5's for launch last I heard and its going to definitely cost more. So we'll see. 

Latest rumor have that Sony upped orders from 5M to 10M for holidays (could be until March 2021 though).

Mandalore76 said:

Because the Wii U was discontinued in January 2017.  Nintendo wasn't going to go 10 months without a home console in the retail space.  Nintendo was getting such bad press at the time, "Nintendo should go 3rd Party", that they had to launch a new console ASAP.  And that's what they did.

If they really thought that Switch would do so much better if they waited for holiday them they wouldn't discontinue WiiU in January. They launching in March paid off.

Here's the Wii U weekly sales from it's last holiday period (2016) into it's worldwide discontinuation on January 31st 2017.  Tell me that Nintendo should have rode this out for 10 more months:

Week Ending 11/26/2016 (Black Friday)

WiiU 41,938 (+128%) 13,318,699

Week Ending 12/3/2016

WiiU 22,559 (-46%) 13,341,258

Week Ending 12/10/2016

WiiU 24,020 (+6%) 13,365,278

Week Ending 12/17/2016

WiiU 26,954 (+12%) 13,392,232

Week Ending 12/24/2016 (week before Christmas)

WiiU 29,153 (+8%) 13,421,385

Week Ending 12/31/2016

WiiU 13,503 (-54%) 13,434,888

Week Ending 1/7/2017

WiiU 9,131 (-32%) 13,444,019

Week Ending 1/14/2017

WiiU 5,545 (-39%) 13,449,564

Week Ending 1/21/2017

WiiU 4,673 (-16%) 13,454,237

Week Ending 1/28/2017

WiiU 4,497 (-4%) 13,458,734

When investors would have been questioning, what are you going to do about your home console selling 4,000 units per week?  I don't think "We're waiting for Christmas 10 months from now" would be considered a valid answer.



Mandalore76 said:
DonFerrari said:

Latest rumor have that Sony upped orders from 5M to 10M for holidays (could be until March 2021 though).

If they really thought that Switch would do so much better if they waited for holiday them they wouldn't discontinue WiiU in January. They launching in March paid off.

Here's the Wii U weekly sales from it's last holiday period (2016) into it's worldwide discontinuation on January 31st 2017.  Tell me that Nintendo should have rode this out for 10 more months:

Week Ending 11/26/2016 (Black Friday)

WiiU 41,938 (+128%) 13,318,699

Week Ending 12/3/2016

WiiU 22,559 (-46%) 13,341,258

Week Ending 12/10/2016

WiiU 24,020 (+6%) 13,365,278

Week Ending 12/17/2016

WiiU 26,954 (+12%) 13,392,232

Week Ending 12/24/2016 (week before Christmas)

WiiU 29,153 (+8%) 13,421,385

Week Ending 12/31/2016

WiiU 13,503 (-54%) 13,434,888

Week Ending 1/7/2017

WiiU 9,131 (-32%) 13,444,019

Week Ending 1/14/2017

WiiU 5,545 (-39%) 13,449,564

Week Ending 1/21/2017

WiiU 4,673 (-16%) 13,454,237

Week Ending 1/28/2017

WiiU 4,497 (-4%) 13,458,734

When investors would have been questioning, what are you going to do about your home console selling 4,000 units per week?  I don't think "We're waiting for Christmas 10 months from now" would be considered a valid answer.

Sure thing, they were already questioning the previous 48 months.... and they could have released in 2016 as well but weren't able. Still that matches what I said prior that they try to release as early as possible instead of waiting for Xmas. If you can plan to have your swap on Holidays for safety on demand sure bonus points, but we have seem both PS4 and Switch sold out for 2 months on launch inside and outside holidays. So it more show that launch depends much more on inventory availability than Holidays.



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