Well deserved for the Bucs, they went hard on good players and had a SB at home. Chiefs did well too, they were pretty much unchallenged aside from the Bucs.

Is that why you ignored all of my direct posts to you for two straight years after it became clear that Giannis was clearly the best player in the league two years ago? Don't try to act like you don't know what I'm talking about - I quoted you directly to get your attention, and you were clearly active on VGC, yet hid from me when I gave you the chance to put your money where your mouth is with a bet.

Or do you just ignore most of what I say on principle, since you keep ignoring my request to move this discussion to an NBA thread  if you want to continue it.

And here we go again with this tired and lazy "the West is the dominant conference" again, even though that means nothing when it comes to MVP talk. If you're going to start copy-pasting the same t hing you've said a dozen times that has long since been refuted, then I'll just start copy-pasting my replies.

Bill Russell - 11

That's understandable, but the original reply compared Messi's Ballon d'Or wins, which is an individual award like the MVP, versus Brady's domestic titles, which, while impressive and certainly hard to pull off, it's not the logical comparison to make. 

I'm biased, but that was an awful Super Bowl. I have no idea what the refs were watching. All the injuries on the Chiefs offensive line finally caught up to them at the worst time. Even then Mahomes had two touchdown passes dropped that hit his receivers in the facemask. Crazy.

The Bucs' defense does deserve a lot of credit for what it did, but I think you(and the announcers) are ultimately right: the game plan was apparently "keep picking on the fifth-string linemen, and take advantage of Mahomes' turf toe." Can't knock it, it worked. What I can knock is some of those calls; the early ones especially felt rinky-dink.

No argument here. My dad groused that some of those flags were clearly based on the assumption that Brady can't possibly miss a throw without some sort of foul, ergo flags everywhere.

I couldn't believe the one on the pick.  There was nothing there on the replay.  If that was a flag, there should have been a flag on every single passing play on both teams.

RIP Marty Schottenheimer he should have been in the hall of fame already and he isn't the only former Chargers head coach that should be in the hall of fame already Don Coryell should be also. Don Coryell is pretty much one of the key architects of the modern passing game plus he was the first head coach that won over 100 games in both the NFL and college.

Absolutely.  He is where the term "Air Coryell" comes from.  The Chargers remain the only team in history to lead the NFL in total Passing Yards for 6 consecutive seasons (with Charger QB Dan Fouts being the only QB to lead the NFL in Passing for 4 consecutive seasons).  His lack of a Super Bowl win holds him back, back his contribution to and impact on the game should be taken into context in those discussions.