I guess that's one way to look at it. Yes, they have different priorities, but it can't be denied that MS is making an honest go at the console spae too. Having two console SKUs releasing in the same month with the PS5 is proof of this. If they weren't they did just make a $299 XSS and a $599 XSX, have them in very limited supply and call it a day. They also wouldn't bother with any Xboxexclusives at all and also release their games on the PS5.

How is switch a rival to either the PS5/Xbox? Because they both play games? That's like saying Ferrari is making a car and is considering a honda civic to be a rival because they are both cars.

Another way to look at this; take this year, or last year or maybe next year. Make a list of all the games releasing on the PS4/XB1/Switch or the PS5/XSX/Switch. You will find that the PS4/5 vs XSX/XB1 shares over 90% of their library. And that the PS4/5/XB1/XSX vs switch, share less than 10% of their libraries. What that means, is that if you get either a PS or Xbox, you don't necessarily need to get the other (they are rivals) but getting one of them doesn't mean you don't need to get the Switch and vice versa (they aren't).

Bla blu ble blo. Always the same shit. I get too old for that: "No, no, that shitty kiddy Nintendo console is not in the same league as the great adult console I choose!!!!111!!!"

It is obvious Sony and Nintendo are vying for the dollars of similar customers. They are rivals. Now, we could argue that they target different parts of the market, and true enough. But that was and is always the case. It is at this point obvious, that MS has a more and more differing strategy, focusing on Gamepass and their coming streaming-service. Does that mean they aren't rivals either? Probably the best, if it is the case, then congratulations, PS5 will obviously the unchallenged winner, as they actually are completely alone in the market.

A much more intelligent and interesting approach would be, that the launch sales of the PS5 and XBSX have to be compared to the Switch launch sales, not the current ones. That I would agree with, and it is interesting to see who will have the upper hand in that contest. PS5 will be strong, because as I said before, many strong PS-fans buy the console on brand power alone. Also Switch released in March, not in the holidays.

Any other way than trying their best would be seen as a complete failure. If they wanna stay in the console market, they need to push it. Otherwise they would loose it completely. Maybe the supply is limited to some point considering how the Xbox One brand went for them. They changed their strategy, though. Their console is their cheapest entry to their library. 

I wouldn't call them Xbox exclusives since they do release on PC. Rather Microsoft exclusives, but even some manage to end up on Switch.

They are competing in the games market and that counts the Switch, too. They share some games altogether. 

But Microsoft and Sony are not competing directly anymore like they did with Xbox360 and PS3. These times are over. So, it really doesn't matter if Sony sells more console than Microsoft, since Microsoft shares it's userbase with PC and partly (little tiny bit) with Nintendo.

Microsoft generates the most money with their console brand, though.

Personally I’ve always thought a gamer with a high end PC is a separate market then a console only gamer. A PC gamer might be in the market for a PS or Nintendo product but by contrast has little incentive to buy a Xbox. To me MS found a way to make Xbox gamers out of people who wouldn’t buy their console. Case in point all those Steam sales charts with SoT, MCC, and Grounded on them. 

As for people who are strictly console gamers, Xbox games being on PC is irrelevant. All that matters is if PS or Nintendo have them. All that really changes is that the Xbox ecosystem will grow, the console sales depends more on how they market it relative to Xbox One in 2013

Each console has more than 2700 games and the Xbox One has 2600 gamrs. If you think the Swith shares only 270 games with the PS4 and Xbox One, you're clearly delusionnal.

There hadn't been enough games specificfspecific the Switch to only share less than 300 games with other platforms.

I was not calling the switch kiddie or shitty....

And what I am saying is simple, they are only rivals as far as them being in the same industry. But they are not rivals with regard to competing directly. I would think this was obvious. 

Maybe I am the one not getting it, but to me, Rivals would be more like looking at the PS vs Xbox. One doing well usually comes at the expense of the other. That's because they are direct rivals. Competing not just in the same industry but for the exact same kinda audience, and in the exact same form factor. 

I don't know why saying this (something that I think is clearly obvious by the way) always seems to ruffle feathers.

My point still stands though, the PS/Xbox share way more of their game library between themselves than the PS/Xbox vs Switch. And if 10% is to tough a sell, the make that 30% and my point is still relevant. 

But if you want us to actually get into it, how many of those shared games with the switch are AAA games? The CODs, Fifa, Maddens, NBA2k, Fortnite, Cyberpunk, AC, Watchdogs...etc. Basically the big AAA multiplats that drive console sales. 

Idk.... I am not gonna get into a debate about this, cause you may say I am delusional, but if you can't see that the PS4/Xbox doesn't share a library with the switch the way they share with themselves the maybe you arete delusional one.

Did you read the OP or the moderator post? But please advise on how is switch LAUNCHING this Holiday.

There are always disclaimers. I am fully aware of it. I for one are the fastest person worldwide(*) running the 100m distance.

(*) Well, obviously Usain Bolt doesn't count, as he is a professional, and I am an amateur. We do not compete directly. I would think this was obvious. Rivals for me are like the ones, which win does come at the expense of my wins. So people from germany. Obviously born in the 70s. With the username Mnementh on VGChartz. As you can see it is obvious, that I am the fastest. People like Usain Bolt are maybe competing on the same distance, but not for the exact same kinda audience, the same format.

I don't know why saying this (something that I think is clearly obvious by the way) always seems to ruffle feathers.

EDIT: By the way, if the mod team is wondering why it is so hard to build a Xbox-community here: the same shit happens to Xbox. Here we have an example of a thread that poses a question and just "happens" to forget that Nintendo has a console too, and find then new reasons of the day, why the Switch isn't counting. In the same way we see XBox-games disregarded. "This is released on PC, so it doesn't count. This is a timed exclusive, so it doesn't count. This one doesn't count, because I say so. And Minecraft doesn't count, because it is only played by bloody casuals. So as you can clearly see, Xbox *obviously* has no games."

No, not necessarily. I also got a Switch at home with 2 docking stations. I always had a console besides my PC (NES, SNES, N64, PSX and so on)

That was true where the Xbox games were still exclusive to their console. But that has changed. Same can happen with Sony if they release their games at the same time they do on their console. If they walk the same path at Microsoft, even less reasons to buy a Playstation for me anyway.

It's irrelevant for your scenario, yes. But there are people who bought the console to play first party titles and that is not necessary anymore. The group of people who owned both, a xbox console and PC probably won't bother with getting a new xbox console.

Nevertheless, my point is that the comparision this thread is about is pretty much pointless.

I clearly considered the OP in my original post, just had a different point of view on the world, which I think I stated clearly enough.

Since then I am reacting to Intrinsics obviously faulty claims.