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Forums - Sales Discussion - Famitsu Sales: Week 30, 2020 (Jul 20 - Jul 26)

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Farsala said:
curl-6 said:

This feels cruel at this point but Switch to PS4 hardware ratio for this week is 87:1

What will you do when PS4 sales are 0? You can't have a ratio with 0!

Switch to PS5 I guess? XD



Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

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curl-6 said:

At this point I'm starting to think MH Switch is most likely never happening.

It would make too much common sense, and when it comes to the Switch, Crapcom don't do common sense.

The rumors that concerned a Monster Hunter World announcement included a statement that Sony paid off Capcom to prevent new Monster Hunter games being made for Switch. Each passing month without a MH announcement for Switch adds more credibility to this rumor. That would also be by Monster Hunter World is impossible on Switch, according to Capcom. Not because of technological hurdles, but contractual ones.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

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RolStoppable said:
curl-6 said:

At this point I'm starting to think MH Switch is most likely never happening.

It would make too much common sense, and when it comes to the Switch, Crapcom don't do common sense.

The rumors that concerned a Monster Hunter World announcement included a statement that Sony paid off Capcom to prevent new Monster Hunter games being made for Switch. Each passing month without a MH announcement for Switch adds more credibility to this rumor. That would also be by Monster Hunter World is impossible on Switch, according to Capcom. Not because of technological hurdles, but contractual ones.

This is the first I'd heard about this rumor.  But after a quick Google search this is what I found specifically:

 

While it has been stated previously, Capcom's management was once again asked if there were any plans to port Monster Hunter World over to Nintendo Switch during a shareholders meeting. The answer was simply "no."

However, when Capcom was asked if it would consider developing a new Monster Hunter game that could be popular with high-school kids, the company said "yes." 

Due to Monster Hunter World's lack of portability, it's not as popular with Japanese high-school students, which is why Capcom is likely keen on developing a Monster Hunter game specifically for the Switch.

https://www.laptopmag.com/news/monster-hunter-world-not-coming-to-switch-but-another-game-might



The_Liquid_Laser said:
RolStoppable said:

The rumors that concerned a Monster Hunter World announcement included a statement that Sony paid off Capcom to prevent new Monster Hunter games being made for Switch. Each passing month without a MH announcement for Switch adds more credibility to this rumor. That would also be by Monster Hunter World is impossible on Switch, according to Capcom. Not because of technological hurdles, but contractual ones.

This is the first I'd heard about this rumor.  But after a quick Google search this is what I found specifically:

https://www.laptopmag.com/news/monster-hunter-world-not-coming-to-switch-but-another-game-might

"Monster Hunter game" can mean a lot of things, but what people want is mainline Monster Hunter.

For the 3DS, Nintendo made a deal with Capcom to prevent mainline Monster Hunter coming to all other platforms (most importantly, PS) for the duration of a generation (2011-2017). That left the door open for Monster Hunter Frontier and other spinoffs if Capcom wanted to.

I consider it very probable that Sony did the same thing, starting as soon as Nintendo's contract with Capcom ended. Except that Sony specifically targeted Nintendo alone, hence why Monster Hunter World could still release on Xbox and PC. That kind of exclusivity deal comes cheaper than outright exclusivity and for Sony it only ever was about Nintendo to begin with.

In any case, there's a chance that a Monster Hunter spinoff could release on Switch, perhaps something like Monster Hunter Stories for the 3DS which was a different kind of RPG set in the Monster Hunter universe. But mainline Monster Hunter shouldn't be expected.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

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Prepare yourselves for another Monster Hunter Stories type game or a Monster Hunter Lite... anything would be an improvement from nothing 



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The_Liquid_Laser said:

This is the first I'd heard about this rumor.  But after a quick Google search this is what I found specifically:

 

https://www.laptopmag.com/news/monster-hunter-world-not-coming-to-switch-but-another-game-might

What actually gives what Rol posted some ground is ironically not MH itself but what happened with SFV as that game has a contractual agreement to keep it off other non PC platforms as SFIV was heavily favoured on the Xbox platform because of Live so such a case as the rumour he's referring to is possible.

To respond to an earlier post where someone mentioned about sales even that's not the case because MHW's sales are across 3 platforms when you break down the performance per platform the portables still perform comparable to what MHW did per platform for example from Capcom's own numbers: http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/finance/million.html

MHF - 4.9m
MHG - 4.3m
MH4U - 4.2m
MH4 - 4.1m
MHFU - 3.9m
MHGU - 3.6m

What's interesting here is MHW did 15m across 3 platforms but Iceborne expansion in comparison did 5m across the same 3 platforms where as in the portable side of things the userbase are more dedicated as seen with the consistent numbers for reference 80% of MHF went to MHFU, over 100% of MH4 numbers transferred to MH4U, 90% of MHG to MHGU and so on.

Last edited by Wyrdness - on 31 July 2020

RolStoppable said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

This is the first I'd heard about this rumor.  But after a quick Google search this is what I found specifically:

https://www.laptopmag.com/news/monster-hunter-world-not-coming-to-switch-but-another-game-might

"Monster Hunter game" can mean a lot of things, but what people want is mainline Monster Hunter.

For the 3DS, Nintendo made a deal with Capcom to prevent mainline Monster Hunter coming to all other platforms (most importantly, PS) for the duration of a generation (2011-2017). That left the door open for Monster Hunter Frontier and other spinoffs if Capcom wanted to.

I consider it very probable that Sony did the same thing, starting as soon as Nintendo's contract with Capcom ended. Except that Sony specifically targeted Nintendo alone, hence why Monster Hunter World could still release on Xbox and PC. That kind of exclusivity deal comes cheaper than outright exclusivity and for Sony it only ever was about Nintendo to begin with.

In any case, there's a chance that a Monster Hunter spinoff could release on Switch, perhaps something like Monster Hunter Stories for the 3DS which was a different kind of RPG set in the Monster Hunter universe. But mainline Monster Hunter shouldn't be expected.

Well, that would definitely make sense.  Of course, the details of the deal would matter quite a bit, and that is what we don't know.  Monster Hunter is the most important third party game in Japan.  For Capcom to leave the main franchise off of portable devices completely, Sony would have to had made them one hell of a deal.



New Monster Hunter on Switch is never going to happen.
Capcom has shown already what kind of games they are willing to bring to the Switch.





My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Wyrdness said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

This is the first I'd heard about this rumor.  But after a quick Google search this is what I found specifically:

 

https://www.laptopmag.com/news/monster-hunter-world-not-coming-to-switch-but-another-game-might

What actually gives what Rol posted some ground is ironically not MH itself but what happened with SFV as that game has a contractual agreement to keep it off other non PC platforms as SFIV was heavily favoured on the Xbox platform because of Live so such a case as the rumour he's referring to is possible.

To respond to an earlier post where someone mentioned about sales even that's not the case because MHW's sales are across 3 platforms when you break down the performance per platform the portables still perform comparable to what MHW did per platform for example from Capcom's own numbers: http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/finance/million.html

MHF - 4.9m
MHG - 4.3m
MH4U - 4.2m
MH4 - 4.1m
MHFU - 3.9m
MHGU - 3.6m

What's interesting here is MHW did 15m across 3 platforms but Iceborne expansion in comparison did 5m across the same 3 platforms where as in the portable side of things the userbase are more dedicated as seen with the consistent numbers for reference 80% of MHF went to MHFU, over 100% of MH4 numbers transferred to MH4U, 90% of MHG to MHGU and so on.

No context at all.  MHW and its 15 million is not comparable to Iceborne and its 5 million.  The 15 million for Monster Hunter World is after 24 months on the market, MHWI's 5 million is after six.  So if you feel that MHWI's sales will remain at 5 million for the next 18 months, then you have a point but you know that is not happening and that sales of that game, and the original, are higher than the 15 and 5 respectively anyway (as we will see in their upcoming earnings report).  Capcom would be stupid to break those type numbers to sell less as a Switch exclusive.

The best apple to apple comparison is that after 6 months, MHW did 8.3 million (2 consoles), after 6 months MHWI did 5 million (3 consoles) which is a 60% retention

Last edited by Train wreck - on 31 July 2020