Conina brought up Xcloud, not me. I do believe its their end game as they have flat out told us this much. 

People seem to confuse me with a rabit fanboy on a crusade to talk shit about Xbox. Truth is I am not loyal to any console brand and I've owned and played em all. The only thing I don't like about what MS is doing now is that they're making it very hard to get excited about next gen. I think both consoles need to do well before we'll see proper next gen support, and to me it sounds like MS isn't even trying. If you're a game developer, would you invest in a AAA Series X exclusive after you hear Phil say "We don't care which console you buy"? Would you buy a Series X if you can just play all the games on the console you already have, just not in 4k and 120fps?

I would love to see MS prove me wrong on the 23rd and completely blow me away. But if that's the case, then why did I have to read so many Phil Spencer interviews that have completely wiped away my excitement? If they now nail it with super exciting next gen stuff that looks like a stellar jump from anything we've seen on Xone, Phil sure has been doing one shitty job promoting the Series X. 

I'll wait on the rational to explain why if weaker HW doesn't hold XSX and MS isn't focused on the HW sales of XSX why will they cut support for X1 at all.

As far as SONY is concerned, this is positive news. They get to advertise their 2020 lineup and toss in the remastered and complete editions of Spiderman, TLOU2, FF7r, Nioh 1+2, Ghost and Dreams and pretend they're part of their PS5 library. I am sure Uncharted 4, Horizon, Bloodborne, and GoW are making their way to the PS5 sooner than later as well. Don't forget, SONY has a successful record of selling a few months-old PS3 game as an immensely successful PS4 title. They can do this again with the PS5 at much a larger scale because of the similar hardware architecture.

The people who like to pretend that the fireproof PS4 exclusive 2020 line up doesn't matter since we're flipping the page on what has been an embarrassment of a generation for MS, are the same people defending Phil's cross-gen strategy. Make up your minds.

What I gather from all your responses is that you seem to be more excited about what Sony says than what Sony shows. Jim Ryan promised you "something new, something different, that can really only be enjoyed on PS5" and that seems to be have been ingrained in your brain even if he shows something totally different from what he actually said, but again, do you.

But I don't understand why MS's strategy pisses you off so much. I mean, whatever MS decides to do with their 1st party games is not going affect the games you play on your PS5. I mean, Spiderman and Sackboy will continue to be "something new, something different, that can really only be enjoyed on PS5" regardless of what MS does with Halo, so their decision literally has no effect on you.

It's not 100% sure?Lol and ps4 would do it with a 30 second load screen? HAHA. Uncle Phil is right so hopefully he supports the Xbox one x for the entire next gen,I mean there is absolutely no reason to stop supporting it.

Goopy20, what you and many other people fail to understand is this is no different to those that buy into PC gaming. Majority of gamer's who invest into GPUs valued over $1k don't spend that kind of money hoping developers build games solely off those pieces of tech because they demand innovations... no they don't, What majority do is buy into high end PCs to offer the best gaming experiences. No different to what Phil is saying. To MS, its not just about console sales, its not about who sells more, its about offering options. XSX is like the high end PC for consoles, capable of many things but what its doing at launch is offering the best console experience to that audience. Why invest into a XSX? why spend $500+ on a high end console? to play the best version of those games in your living room.

No one is going to be disappointed that games with worlds the size of RDR2 or visuals like TLOU2 or gameplay like BOTW release on XSX. What the XSX will do is play those games at next gen levels, offering 4k/60fps support with added Raytracing, high quality shadows and many other bells and whistles, you know, much like what Phil is saying, just like how a high end PC play games compared to a low or mid range PCs. There will be differences, however good design games will ALWAYS be up to the developers not the hardware.

Innovation is a timed manner, not a hardware manner. Hardware obviously helps but its not everything, its always up to the design teams.

No, it ain't 100% sure that the jump at 0:56 is between two totally different levels or between different areas of the same level. Or do you have more information at this point to prove it?

And even if they are different levels, it ain't 100% sure if the second level gets loaded from SSD or is already preloaded in the RAM. Or do you have more information at this point to prove the SSD usage?

Also I didn't write "30 second load screen" as a hypothetical PS4-solution but loading the next section in the background while playing the current section... please learn to read! Obviously the game already knows in advance which level section comes next... neither Ratchett nor the player are opening the rift or selecting the destination. If both sections are small enough to both fit in the PS4 memory, that would be possible. Or do you have more information about the size of both level sections at this point to prove that it wouldn't be possible?

All the "mini jumps" except the jump at 0:56 are not showing the SSD superiority.

That's not what next gen game play is about, bells and whistles.

Can you agree that there is a difference between games made for VR and games ported to VR? And that games made for VR lose a lot or can't be ported down to non VR?

That's what I expect from next gen game play. Worlds that weren't possible on the previous generation, either through lack of memory, lack of processing speed, lack of online capabilities, lack of input methods or lack of storage options / speed.

Next gen has about a 30x to 50x faster read/write access, a bigger jump than the increase in processing power from ps2 to ps3. So yep, it's disappointing to read that games will continue to be designed with 1/30th of the IO speed in mind. All these new possibilities, however the biggest change, don't use that to design your game around!

I want it to be different from buying into PC gaming.

Well Sony hasn't shown much so that is kinda true. I was impressed with the glimpses we got so far, though. The thing is that new console generations aren't a new concept. Current consoles get outdated and after 7 or 8 years we all need to upgrade so we get to see things pushed to the next level. It's always been that way and nobody will get upset if support for their current console dries out and we move on. A complete reset is what drives new experiences conceived to be impossible on current gen and it's usually exciting stuff.

MS on the other hand is acting like we don't need next gen consoles at all. Its almost as if they're saying the ones we have are perfectly fine and the Series X is too expensive anyway. Why that bothers me is that I would love to play a true next gen Halo, Gears and hopefully some new ips. Also, I think MS messaging is super confusing for 3rd party developers. Like I said, as a developer would you invest in a AAA next gen exclusive when you hear Phil say "We don't care which console you buy"?

Well, I'm willing to bet money that the jump from Halo 5 to Halo Infinite will be bigger and far more noticeable than the jump from Spiderman PS4 to SP:MM.

And I don't understand your concern with 3rd parties, as it is always going to be their choice. I mean, we have already some developers choosing to be cross-platform and we have already some others choosing to ditch last gen (Like Godfall, Scorn, The Medium, etc) so it is always going to be their choice regardless of what MS or Sony say.