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Yeah.. Harassing the actors is just plain stupid and makes the harassers look like idiots. It also undermines the legitimate grievances about the story and makes it look like fans really are just bigots and manbabies.
The actors are naturally going to defend their employers and the work they've been doing, it's part of the business regardless of how they might personally feel about things. However, they are not the ones who have written the story or the characters, they just act based on the script they are given, that's what they're hired to do.
Attacking them is dumb, just dumb.



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You guys are trying too hard to look into it, or try to explain why people have this kind of behavior.
No normal person would do something like this. It's just people with untreated psychiatric issues and they have always existed, the difference is that in the past you had to tie the writer to a bed and cut his leg off, today it is possible to do it being anonymous on the internet.
That does not mean the police should not pay them a visit, these people are dangerous.



Shiken said:
vonny said:

"The title says all LoU2 haters are nutjobs, as if no one can hate the game without being a nutjob"

You clearly did, "hater" has a well established term with it's definition clearly separate of dislike/hate.  

When in my post did I ever say "all people who dislike the game are just haters"?

You are trying too hard.  Use a bit of reading compression before you attempt to call someone out.  The topic is about haters, not people who simply dislike the game.

I never said you did, show me where I said that?

You're the one which conflated Haters to equal anyone who dislike the game to devalue the issue of bat shit insane people, you yourself just said the topic is about haters not people disliking the game so why make a deflective claim "as if no one can hate the game without being a nutjob"



vonny said:
Shiken said:

The title says all LoU2 haters are nutjobs, as if no one can hate the game without being a nutjob.  I simply stated that nutjobs are everywhere and they only make up a vocal minority of those who genuinely hate the game.

Did you only read one sentence and then smash the quote button?  Because the point went totally over your head.

Disliking the game has nothing to do with the term "hater" don't be deliberately obtuse

To the bolded below, you clearly state here that I am grouping people who dislike the game with haters.  Also try not contradicting yourself.

vonny said:
Shiken said:

When in my post did I ever say "all people who dislike the game are just haters"?

You are trying too hard.  Use a bit of reading compression before you attempt to call someone out.  The topic is about haters, not people who simply dislike the game.

I never said you did, show me where I said that?

You're the one which conflated Haters to equal anyone who dislike the game to devalue the issue of bat shit insane people, you yourself just said the topic is about haters not people disliking the game so why make a deflective claim "as if no one can hate the game without being a nutjob"

To the rest of your reply, I did not devalue anything nor did I conflate haters equal to just disliking the game.  You seem to be lookong for an argument that does not exist, and hurting your credibility at the same time with contradictions.  But let me spell it out for you anyway.

Not all people who hate on the game is a nutjob.  Are you honestly going to tell me that Nintendo or MS fans that hate on it just for being a Sony game (which classify them as haters) are part of the group sending death threats and the like?  No they are just being trolls, that does not mean they are nutjobs sending death threats.  In fact, the only ones sending death threats are likely a certain group of Sony fans that are outraged at the narrative decisions made by ND.

So again, please tell me how defective claims to devalue the issue of what is going on?  The only person making blanket statements between the two of us is you my friend.

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Can I weigh in? Oh dear GOD, can I weigh in, pleeeeeaaaase??

Most people have responded to the OP with at least some level of minimization. The campaign against this game has been by far the largest and most extreme I've seen in my entire life. I mean by a margin of like 10 to 1. It's not even close. Could this uniquely insane reaction have something to do with the fact that The Last of Us Part II happens to be the first AAA release to narratively center a lesbian character, I ask you? The thought has more than crossed my mind.

When I read these messages we're referencing, the fact is that most of them feel like they're attacks on me personally as a woman, as a lesbian, for being a woman, for being a lesbian, not just the staff. WHY do these people want Neil Druckmann and the women dead? Because..."cuck", "bitch", "twat", "radical feminist", "gay", etc. etc. (also Abby is "trans" for being gender-nonconforming), it's strikingly consistent. There is definitely a specifically anti-female/anti-gay vibe to them overwhelmingly. 

Don't get me wrong, I get that this game would be controversial even in a world without bigotry. Not ANYTHING like this though. Not like surpassing the Grand Theft Auto level of controversy by a factor of a thousand percent. Jesus fucking Christ!

The game is emotionally challenging to me (it's supposed to be). Not anything like the response though. That's been much more exhausting because it feels personal. It feels like hate most of the time to me. You can say that it's not, but it feels like it is. I'm just saying. I mean I feel like my brain is probably exaggerating the volume of actual hate there is among this game's detractors, but I can't help it. There's simply so...goddamn...much!! So I mean I'm sorry if it ever comes across like I'm lumping people in with something they're not a part of, but in this context it can be a challenge not to.

No one should be threatening anyone's life over a video game, and least of all for reasons like these. That's all.

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Shiken said:
vonny said:

Disliking the game has nothing to do with the term "hater" don't be deliberately obtuse

To the bolded below, you clearly state here that I am grouping people who dislike the game with haters.  Also try not contradicting yourself.

vonny said:

I never said you did, show me where I said that?

You're the one which conflated Haters to equal anyone who dislike the game to devalue the issue of bat shit insane people, you yourself just said the topic is about haters not people disliking the game so why make a deflective claim "as if no one can hate the game without being a nutjob"

To the rest of your reply, I did not devalue anything nor did I conflate haters equal to just disliking the game.  You seem to be lookong for an argument that does not exist, and hurting your credibility at the same time with contradictions.  But let me spell it out for you anyway.

What's ironic is you stating someone should improve their comprehension as to be little them when the person making that statement should follow their own advice.

"The title says all LoU2 haters are nutjobs, as if no one can hate the game without being a nutjob" If you fail to see how you conflated the topic of thread that's on you pal!.



am ashamed to say it, but when i first saw the leaks, i over reacted, i was part of the hater crowd for a while, but not the extreme level of online hate. I thought agenda this, that, abby is this, neil is that, how dare the team of writers do this.. but thank God i came to my senses. When i gave it some thought, and saw how low other people got to, the level of disrespect to the naughty dog team, it broke my heart, i felt like shit. I told my self i don't want to be anything like those people hating, and that i'd give the game a chance. One of the best games i've ever played, the team out did themselves. And i actually ended up really liking Abby.



vonny said:
Shiken said:

Never said it did.  Don't be unnecessarily defensive.

"The title says all LoU2 haters are nutjobs, as if no one can hate the game without being a nutjob"

No, it didn't.



Kind of related since he is a hater, angry joe has been banned from resetera since his review and his remarks about tlou2 were considered bigoted.



EnricoPallazzo said:
Kind of related since he is a hater, angry joe has been banned from resetera since his review and his remarks about tlou2 were considered bigoted.

Not surprised, he says a lot of shitty stuff. I can't point to any one example of him being bigoted in the past, but he has a lot of piss-poor takes on a lot of games so it makes sense to me that the logical progression involved bigotry. 

Plus, you know, when you get right down to it, 99% of the criticism lobbed at TLOU2 is based in bigotry of some sort. I read like 50 negative reviews on metacritic and only like 2 of them didn't have some reference to their 'SJW agenda' or 'pushing beliefs' or 'just let us play a game'. Almost all of the reviews had a problem with the elements put in the story rather than the writing or quality itself. Almost all of the criticism was about the story decisions, not the gameplay or the presentation. 

Maybe as a writer who understands the subjective nature of art a whole lot better than the average person (Seriously I went to school for Film and Television with a focus on the writing and production of said mediums so it's not hard to translate those skills to more effectively assess those same qualities in videogames; yes, this means I have qualifications to speak of the quality of ND's work), I completely respect what Naughty Dog has done. The fact that so many people are so incensed about it shows that they did their job. They have made artwork of the highest order. It makes you think. It makes you feel. It might not be a feeling you like, but in igniting the conversation, they unequivocally succeeded. 

The abuse and harassment is not okay. MOST of the discourse is rooted in bigotry and anti-sjw agendas, but the few other criticisms of the game and the discussion erupting around the game is good. And sales and reviews make it clear that this is going to be a rightly successful game. 



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