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I think... trying to bring groups of people so deeply invested emotionally to raison is an impossible endeavour.

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Walking Dead star Jeffrey Dean Morgan says he gets DEATH THREATS over Negan role

"And God forbid if I look on social media and the hate that I get there."

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Dude. Spoilers.

Last edited by JWeinCom - on 08 July 2020

shikamaru317 said:
iron_megalith said:

What's that? Crazies can go both ways? Lies! It's only just the haters! You guys are full of it!

Anyone who hates the game just didn't get it/is a bigot/is a homophobe/is a mysognist/is a predator etc etc.

I'd like to say I'm surprised that ResetEra banned both Angry Joe and SkillUp simply because they posted reviews for TLOU 2 that were critical of the game, especially it's writing, but I'm surprised by nothing when it comes to Era's moderation. They seem to ban anybody who thinks even a little bit differently from them.

ResetEra:

 

Did you see the way angry joe reacted to the leaks and abby, and his mindset going into the game?? He did not give the game a fair chance. Same with skill up and their reactions to pre launch. Atleast try to act professional when going in to review a game. 



KratosLives said:
shikamaru317 said:

I'd like to say I'm surprised that ResetEra banned both Angry Joe and SkillUp simply because they posted reviews for TLOU 2 that were critical of the game, especially it's writing, but I'm surprised by nothing when it comes to Era's moderation. They seem to ban anybody who thinks even a little bit differently from them.

ResetEra:

 

Did you see the way angry joe reacted to the leaks and abby, and his mindset going into the game?? He did not give the game a fair chance. Same with skill up and their reactions to pre launch. Atleast try to act professional when going in to review a game. 

But they're not professional critics, and they have never claimed to be. There is a reason why their reviews don't show up on Metacritic. They are just gamers like you and I, who happen to do fan reviews on Youtube, not professional reviews.

Spoiler!
As fans of the first game, they were understandably pissed when it was leaked that the main character of the first game gets killed early in the 2nd game, and then you are forced to play as his killer. 

Almost everybody who read that leak was pissed about the decisions Naughty Dog made, they were no different from the rest. But just because they were initially angry at Naughty Dog after the leak, doesn't make their reviews any less valid. Having watched both reviews myself, you can tell that both played the game all the way through, so their criticism is absolutely valid. Their reviews would have been the same rather the leak happened or not, somebody isn't going to suddenly like writing that was specifically designed to be divisive, leak or no leak.  



KratosLives said:
am ashamed to say it, but when i first saw the leaks, i over reacted, i was part of the hater crowd for a while, but not the extreme level of online hate. I thought agenda this, that, abby is this, neil is that, how dare the team of writers do this.. but thank God i came to my senses. When i gave it some thought, and saw how low other people got to, the level of disrespect to the naughty dog team, it broke my heart, i felt like shit. I told my self i don't want to be anything like those people hating, and that i'd give the game a chance. One of the best games i've ever played, the team out did themselves. And i actually ended up really liking Abby.

I never actually saw the leaked footage myself, but I did see a number of written summaries of the contents a couple days after they hit. Based on that though, some of it interested me, but some of it worried me too. The parts that worried me though turned out to be lies.

Spoiler!
I had heard that it was leaked that Ellied died in the first fight with Abby and that Jesse and Dina wind up raising J.J. I was inclined to give the game a chance to justify that with the delivery, but also had some instinctive reservations myself. Turned out to be lies. I'm glad because, having now played through it, I think the game would've been quite a bit weaker had Ellie died there on the floor. That last, controversial chapter and the actual conclusion they went with make all the difference for me.


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KratosLives said:
shikamaru317 said:

I'd like to say I'm surprised that ResetEra banned both Angry Joe and SkillUp simply because they posted reviews for TLOU 2 that were critical of the game, especially it's writing, but I'm surprised by nothing when it comes to Era's moderation. They seem to ban anybody who thinks even a little bit differently from them.

ResetEra:

 

Did you see the way angry joe reacted to the leaks and abby, and his mindset going into the game?? He did not give the game a fair chance. Same with skill up and their reactions to pre launch. Atleast try to act professional when going in to review a game. 

Yes,he told people it was important to wait till the game was fully out to see how those leaks would be put into the story and it is his gig to give angry reactions for entertainment,does not mean he can not form a good opinion,Jim Sterling can act annoying but does not mean he can not have valid opinions.

Skill up did take a softer approach and has most likely one of the more professional takes on the matter.



Jaicee said:
KratosLives said:
am ashamed to say it, but when i first saw the leaks, i over reacted, i was part of the hater crowd for a while, but not the extreme level of online hate. I thought agenda this, that, abby is this, neil is that, how dare the team of writers do this.. but thank God i came to my senses. When i gave it some thought, and saw how low other people got to, the level of disrespect to the naughty dog team, it broke my heart, i felt like shit. I told my self i don't want to be anything like those people hating, and that i'd give the game a chance. One of the best games i've ever played, the team out did themselves. And i actually ended up really liking Abby.

I never actually saw the leaked footage myself, but I did see a number of written summaries of the contents a couple days after they hit. Based on that though, some of it interested me, but some of it worried me too. The parts that worried me though turned out to be lies.

Spoiler!
I had heard that it was leaked that Ellied died in the first fight with Abby and that Jesse and Dina wind up raising J.J. I was inclined to give the game a chance to justify that with the delivery, but also had some instinctive reservations myself. Turned out to be lies. I'm glad because, having now played through it, I think the game would've been quite a bit weaker had Ellie died there on the floor. That last, controversial chapter and the actual conclusion they went with make all the difference for me.
Spoiler!
That last controversial chapter did what it needed to do for me at the start of the game,feel sorry for Abby.At the end i just disliked Ellie and wanted her to leave Abby alone that was already been defeated by misfortune and her own revenge.


Runa216 said:
ArchangelMadzz said:
People not liking a game is fine, people not liking decisions that were made is fine.

I've never understood hate trains. I didn't like RDR2 played 10 or so hours of it, just couldn't get into it and that was it. I didn't scream from the rooftops that it's 'TRaSh' or dm the developers or whatever. People need better outlets for their energy man.

RDR2 was trash becuase there was a black person in it who didn't get lynched or called the n-word. It's trash because that's not historically accurate and any REAL historical game would include nasty language like that and Rockstar are just pushing SJW agendas by not including extreme racism in their game. I only get upset when games are critical of my kind, it's okay to change history when it makes me feel good, but it's bad when they do it in a way that's just SJW pandering. Yep, 100%. 

In case you hadn't noticed, that was satire. 

I, for example, can't stand The Last of Us. I didn't like the gameplay myself, but I'm not stupid enough to say it's a terrible game. I don't think I'd like The Last of Us part 2 becuase I get the impression it sounds like 20+ hours of misery for the sake of misery. There's artistic merit in that, for sure, but it's not for me. that's the difference between my criticism of the game and the criticism it's getting from others like the ones depicted in this thread. I don't like it and it doesn't sound like it's for me, but that doesn't mean it's devoid of all merit and it CERTAINLY doesn't mean anyone deserved to be harassed. 

I mean, I write kinky fantasy smut for a living. That shit is NOT for everyone. Some people hate it when I put actual plot in my porn stories, but that's my artistic license. ND has every right to tell the story they want to play. Critics loved it, MOST gamers are loving it, the overwhelming consensus among fans and the gaming media is that the game is an absolute masterpiece of storytelling and world building that doesn't adhere to traditional hero narratives. some people like that. some people don't. but the people who aren't whiny manchildren (and it's almost always men) who have an agenda agree that the game is good and artistically rich. There are plenty of popular games that get hate and criticism, but what we're seeing here is above and beyond. IT's acid. It's venom. It's poison. It's toxic. 

There's a world of difference between "I don't like where they went with the story" and "They're terrible for doing this to the story and they should feel bad and I'm angry about it." Even the 'good' criticism of the game tends to come across as toxic and destructive instead of constructive or subjective. 

Yep, it is important to separate the "I don't like this type of game" from "this type of game is bad" or anything similar to it. Artistic merict, objective measurement, etc is all over the top in greatness. But sure one may not like how it plays and that is totally fair (hating though is something strong and strange to feel about a game).

Also yes not liking how the game was done, or some elements of the story is also fine, but to not understand it and claim it is terrible and hate the story is also wrong. on RDR2 being historically correct or not I really don't know, but I would rather it was as precise as possible (of course except battle since that would break most games) even if it cause repulsion.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

padib said:
LivingMetal said:

No, it didn't.

Something's definitely wrong with the title, and pretty much the whole situation. The title's ambiguous by saying that "Haters are nut jobs CONFIRMED", because it reads as if anyone that dislikes the game is a hater, and all haters are crazy.

This issue with TLOU2 highlighted the following problems:

  • It is currently impossible to criticize the game without being personally attacked or called a hater.
  • It is currently impossible to worry about the bashing of the white male "patriarchal" figure without being called a bigot.
  • It is currently impossible to tell people that bigotry, on all sides, is unacceptable, and be believed, because only bigotry on one side nowadays is untolerable. In other words, if I say that I am not happy with how the patriarchy is being portrayed in movies, I automatically become a bigot, but if someone says that they are not happy with how people are negatively reacting to feminism, homosexuality and transgenderism in media, by saying that it's arguably forced and not natural to the characters and plot and alters the characters from their original form, then that's okay (Examples in Star Wars, Ghostbusters and possibly TLOU2). Double-standards are not right.
  • It is currently impossible to have a personal opinion without being attacked, or being shamed for it.
  • It is almost currently impossible to have a reasonable dialogue on the matter because people are so personally involved in all of it.

What's the solution?

  • We stop bullying each other, insulting each other, and hating each other.
  • We start listening to each other, for once.
  • We give the benefit of the doubt and allow people to explain themselves without vilifying them.
  • We understand that people are different, have different lifestyles and those need to be respected. That includes homosexuality, conservativism, religion, feminism, patriarchy, progressivism, and everything in between.
  • We start respecting that everyone has their own opinion, and unless they are intentionally trying to hurt others (on all sides!), then people have a right to their thoughts, and to express them, just like you are free to express yours.
  • We stop trying to fit everyone into our mold, as if it is the only right way to see the world.
  • We start trying to actually build a community together where we can be different from the rest, and foster dialogue.
  • We start caring for each other, our personal issues and testimonies about things that actually bothered us in the past.
  • We learn to use some discernment and read into subtleties, such as the difference between being critical of something and hating it.
  • We use logic and sensibility, in order to all become better and smarter.
  • We take a moment before we post to make sure we are in a good head-space and are fostering the right attitude.

If we don't, we will just perpetuate the cycle of hatred just like everyone else does and we all clearly don't want that.

Unless your impossible means there is going to be at least one person that don't like what you say, which would make basically anything you say impossible to not have someone that disagree, then you are wrong on it. Several people had criticized the game on the threads I created without being called names by most other participants, but sure there was one or two that would label then because of it, still that would be done for basically any thread with any opinion.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

shikamaru317 said:
KratosLives said:

Did you see the way angry joe reacted to the leaks and abby, and his mindset going into the game?? He did not give the game a fair chance. Same with skill up and their reactions to pre launch. Atleast try to act professional when going in to review a game. 

But they're not professional critics, and they have never claimed to be. There is a reason why their reviews don't show up on Metacritic. They are just gamers like you and I, who happen to do fan reviews on Youtube, not professional reviews.

Spoiler!
As fans of the first game, they were understandably pissed when it was leaked that the main character of the first game gets killed early in the 2nd game, and then you are forced to play as his killer. 

Almost everybody who read that leak was pissed about the decisions Naughty Dog made, they were no different from the rest. But just because they were initially angry at Naughty Dog after the leak, doesn't make their reviews any less valid. Having watched both reviews myself, you can tell that both played the game all the way through, so their criticism is absolutely valid. Their reviews would have been the same rather the leak happened or not, somebody isn't going to suddenly like writing that was specifically designed to be divisive, leak or no leak.  

Last edited by JWeinCom - on 08 July 2020