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LivingMetal said:
vonny said:

"The title says all LoU2 haters are nutjobs, as if no one can hate the game without being a nutjob"

No, it didn't.

Something's definitely wrong with the title, and pretty much the whole situation. The title's ambiguous by saying that "Haters are nut jobs CONFIRMED", because it reads as if anyone that dislikes the game is a hater, and all haters are crazy.

This issue with TLOU2 highlighted the following problems:

  • It is currently impossible to criticize the game without being personally attacked or called a hater.
  • It is currently impossible to worry about the bashing of the white male "patriarchal" figure without being called a bigot.
  • It is currently impossible to tell people that bigotry, on all sides, is unacceptable, and be believed, because only bigotry on one side nowadays is untolerable. In other words, if I say that I am not happy with how the patriarchy is being portrayed in movies, I automatically become a bigot, but if someone says that they are not happy with how people are negatively reacting to feminism, homosexuality and transgenderism in media, by saying that it's arguably forced and not natural to the characters and plot and alters the characters from their original form, then that's okay (Examples in Star Wars, Ghostbusters and possibly TLOU2). Double-standards are not right.
  • It is currently impossible to have a personal opinion without being attacked, or being shamed for it.
  • It is almost currently impossible to have a reasonable dialogue on the matter because people are so personally involved in all of it.

What's the solution?

  • We stop bullying each other, insulting each other, and hating each other.
  • We start listening to each other, for once.
  • We give the benefit of the doubt and allow people to explain themselves without vilifying them.
  • We understand that people are different, have different lifestyles and those need to be respected. That includes homosexuality, conservativism, religion, feminism, patriarchy, progressivism, and everything in between.
  • We start respecting that everyone has their own opinion, and unless they are intentionally trying to hurt others (on all sides!), then people have a right to their thoughts, and to express them, just like you are free to express yours.
  • We stop trying to fit everyone into our mold, as if it is the only right way to see the world.
  • We start trying to actually build a community together where we can be different from the rest, and foster dialogue.
  • We start caring for each other, our personal issues and testimonies about things that actually bothered us in the past.
  • We learn to use some discernment and read into subtleties, such as the difference between being critical of something and hating it.
  • We use logic and sensibility, in order to all become better and smarter.
  • We take a moment before we post to make sure we are in a good head-space and are fostering the right attitude.

If we don't, we will just perpetuate the cycle of hatred just like everyone else does and we all clearly don't want that.

Last edited by padib - on 07 July 2020

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Wrong info, ignore.

Last edited by EnricoPallazzo - on 07 July 2020

padib said:
LivingMetal said:

No, it didn't.

Something's definitely wrong with the title, and pretty much the whole situation. The title's ambiguous by saying that "Haters are nut jobs CONFIRMED", because it reads as if anyone that dislikes the game is a hater, and all haters are crazy.

This issue with TLOU2 highlighted the following problems:

  • It is currently impossible to criticize the game without being personally attacked or called a hater.
  • It is currently impossible to worry about the bashing of the white male "patriarchal" figure without being called a bigot.
  • It is currently impossible to tell people that bigotry, on all sides, is unacceptable, and be believed, because only bigotry on one side nowadays is untolerable. In other words, if I say that I am not happy with how the patriarchy is being portrayed in movies, I automatically become a bigot, but if someone says that they are not happy with how people are negatively reacting to feminism, homosexuality and transgenderism in media, by saying that it's arguably forced and not natural to the characters and plot and alters the characters from their original form, then that's okay (Examples in Star Wars, Ghostbusters and possibly TLOU2). Double-standards are not right.
  • It is currently impossible to have a personal opinion without being attacked, or being shamed for it.
  • It is almost currently impossible to have a reasonable dialogue on the matter because people are so personally involved in all of it.

What's the solution?

  • We stop bullying each other, insulting each other, and hating each other.
  • We start listening to each other, for once.
  • We give the benefit of the doubt and allow people to explain themselves without vilifying them.
  • We understand that people are different, have different lifestyles and those need to be respected. That includes homosexuality, conservativism, religion, feminism, patriarchy, progressivism, and everything in between.
  • We start respecting that everyone has their own opinion, and unless they are intentionally trying to hurt others (on all sides!), then people have a right to their thoughts, and to express them, just like you are free to express yours.
  • We stop trying to fit everyone into our mold, as if it is the only right way to see the world.
  • We start trying to actually build a community together where we can be different from the rest, and foster dialogue.
  • We start caring for each other, our personal issues and testimonies about things that actually bothered us in the past.
  • We learn to use some discernment and read into subtleties, such as the difference between being critical of something and hating it.
  • We use logic and sensibility, in order to all become better and smarter.
  • We take a moment before we post to make sure we are in a good head-space and are fostering the right attitude.

If we don't, we will just perpetuate the cycle of hatred just like everyone else does and we all clearly don't want that.

While I agree 100% with you, it is just too late for it. Society will get more and more separated in two until it culminates with a civil war, be it a hot or cold war.



Leynos said:
It's just a minority of people. Plenty of people who dislike TLOU are not like this. Me. Just often the minority who act like this is the loudest. I dislike TLOU as I don't feel it challenges anything. I dislike Duckman for various reasons for him being a creep. Pretentious. Petty. Not a fan of TLOU as it's nowhere near as good as people say it is. Not a fan of the cult-like following ND has. Extremists exist on both sides and both need to stop. Sure I may dislike TLOU but I'd never do this kinda stuff. Then there are people who enjoy TLOU but don't act like it's gods gift to gaming either. However, this is too far. Way too far. Fandoms often just go too far one way or the other and it's dumb.


I despise what they have done with Star Trek with Kurtzman. I mean I really hate the new Trek. I never once sent him a death threat. Never wished him death or any harm. I only wished he didn't have anything to do with Trek. However, it is a TV show and I will live. If people who are fans of TLOU and do not like the direction. Well sucks for you but if you have not noticed. Worse things in the world esp now and no form of entertainment is worth sending death threats or such hateful speech.

I was a bit shocked to see just mobs of people going against those that found negatives in the games and vice versa.

Well yeah i have seen this kind of behaviour before but not in such a magnitude over a game and even on this forum,my comments got liked when i was still defending the game after the leaks but whenever i commented what i personally did not like about the writing(when i had seen the full story for myself) those same people that liked my comments previously got upset.

Thread title could be: TLOU2 fandom has Nut Jobs CONFIRMED. Would be more fitting,and there are tons of things to not like about the game and tons of things to like and those all have different weights depending on the person playing the game.



Already knew they were a bunch of psychopathic asshats.



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Yeah, the internet is a place full of nut-jobs. Things like this happen, unfortunately, very often.

But I can already see how this will be used as an excuse to deflect any legitimate criticism. In fact, it's already happening.

Last edited by freebs2 - on 07 July 2020

Funny to see so many comments of "the minority of haters don't mean people aren't doing valid criticism" used by people that are doing obnoxious bashing of the game or people involved in it.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

What I find hilariously sad about the situation is the fact they are upset at the story of a video game. Because what? It went in a different direction than they thought? Marvel comics were my thin from 2000 to 2015, I loved the X-men, still do but after Bendis got his hands on them and Hickman started writing Avengers, it all started falling, the story telling was so bad but I did what is the most sensible as a response, just stopped reading. Put my money into things that I enjoy.

In Last of Us, the characters were horrible people, the situation was messed up and it showed. But that was actually a good sign of writing, the writers were able to make me disdained with Joel., just like writers of Spec Ops the Line did with Capt Walker. If I had any friends I knew that were doing this (I don't as they all seem basically of sound mind), I'd thump them round the back of the head and tell them to show some bloody respect.



Hmm, pie.

What's that? Crazies can go both ways? Lies! It's only just the haters! You guys are full of it!

Anyone who hates the game just didn't get it/is a bigot/is a homophobe/is a mysognist/is a predator etc etc.

Last edited by iron_megalith - on 07 July 2020

iron_megalith said:

What's that? Crazies can go both ways? Lies! It's only just the haters! You guys are full of it!

Anyone who hates the game just didn't get it/is a bigot/is a homophobe/is a mysognist/is a predator etc etc.

I'd like to say I'm surprised that ResetEra banned both Angry Joe and SkillUp simply because they posted reviews for TLOU 2 that were critical of the game, especially it's writing, but I'm surprised by nothing when it comes to Era's moderation. They seem to ban anybody who thinks even a little bit differently from them.

ResetEra: